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Alder Lake-S leaks

Donnie Fisher said:
IIRC, AM4 suffered similar on early days which ironed itself out once bios updates began rolling out over time. I'd expect the same to be true with the ADL stuff across the range of motherboards too.
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Still some issues with AM4 running 4 dual rank sticks. The NUMA arrangement isn’t ideal and you have to adjust timings to add some delay.

It’s a little early to start delving into those types of issues. Everything will patching for while and motherboard vendors will have lots of kinks to workout.
 
beasty6 said:
Gone to AM4, b550 strix-F and a 5800x.
Not so impressed with the 12600k tbh, I was expecting more, especially for 1440p
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I wouldn't expect much from either when upgrading from a 10400F @1440p with a 3070ti

ryzen 5 3600 > 5800X which was paired with a faster 3080 @1440p.

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So HUB and GN both used a 360mm aio on the 12900k

but GN got 20c lower temp than HUb

pick your AIO carefully! Some AIO do not work properly with alder lake. HUB tried a Corsair h115i and msi aio and both produced rubbish temps basically throttling but GN's artic freezer had no issue at all cooling the 12900k
 
Haz123 said:
No one games at 720p with a top end GPU but it is a method to test cpu gaming potential.
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Grim5 said:
So HUB and GN both used a 360mm aio on the 12900

but GN got 20c lower temp than HUb

pick your AIO carefully! Some AIO do not work properly with alder lake. HUB tried a Corsair h115i and msi aio and both produced rubbish temps basically throttling but GN's artic freezer had no issue at all cooling the 12900k
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Someone needs to test the 12900K with Noctua’s air coolers mainly the D15.
 
stooeh said:
The gaming performance/power usage looks pretty good to be honest not that I will be upgrading for years though.
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I think anything above not terrible is a win for Intel. Power use is just about passable and performance is generally good. I’d say B- on performance and C- on power use.

Not a bad effort considering Alder lake is such a left field design. It’s just strange timing and a very complex proposition for many people.

DDR4 or DDR5, 12900K or 12600K. Win 10 or Win11. Intel obviously had to launch before 3D V-cache but it’s a pretty awkwardly timed launch.
 
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iv only had a quick look at the techpowerup review and the 12600k seems to be phenomenal. it beats the 5600x ryzen in everything by a large margin and even beats the 5800x in most cases even with the E cores disabled. shocked is an understatement. cant believe intel letting it go for same price as 5600x, i thought intel would gouge more. more impressive is that all sites iv checked so far are still showing stock. so either these cpus not selling or intel has got no issues with supply.

with scheduler improvements over time to win11 i can only imagine that alderlake performance will go up.
 
Is anybody's tracking working yet for the CPU's? Mine says it was shipped at 1AM and nothing since, No results found from DPD, I know sometimes they're a bit late but there would have been something by now.
 
One thing that did annoy me is that I've just watched 4 reviews and all of them just brush over gpu bottlenecks instead of trying to do something about it.

ryzen 5000 and alder lake so so fast that even at 1080p the vast majority of games are heavily GPU bottlenecked even with a 6900xt.

This means 1080p is no longer a good resolution for a CPU benchmark until we get significantly faster GPUs. So reviewers should have used 720p for their benchmarks.

The vast majority of benchmarking I saw today ended up being a GPU benchmark not a CPU benchmark
 
Grim5 said:
So HUB and GN both used a 360mm aio on the 12900k

but GN got 20c lower temp than HUb

pick your AIO carefully! Some AIO do not work properly with alder lake. HUB tried a Corsair h115i and msi aio and both produced rubbish temps basically throttling but GN's artic freezer had no issue at all cooling the 12900k
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This isn't strictly true. The Corsair had mounting pressure problems, the MSI didn't. You can't compare temps between HUB and GN, either. HUB temps were in Cinebench, GN's were in Blender.
 
i got confirmation email for cpu and motherboard but thinking they will send the cpu as theres no motherboards...
 
Journey said:
I know someone who wanted to move away from X58 finally to save on heat/power, but they've changed their minds now. I wonder how many cancellations or alterations to orders have been made due to DDR4/DDR5 and or heat/power.
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Well the 12900K/KF and 12700K/KF appear to be kind of pointless to me next to the 12600K/KF (and the 12400F/KF to come).
The improvements are primarily down to the new architectural changes, not peak clock speeds or the amount of E cores on hand.
May as well run with the 12th gen chip that consumes the least amount of power and hence is much easier to keep cool.

Personally I'm going to hold out and see if Zen 3 with VCACHE will rain on Intel's parade.
As basically I don't think Intel has done enough with Alder Lake to keep this small 'nose in front' lead come Q1 (guess we shall see).
 
Grim5 said:
One thing that did annoy me is that I've just watched 4 reviews and all of them just brush over gpu bottlenecks instead of trying to do something about it.

ryzen 5000 and alder lake so so fast that even at 1080p the vast majority of games are heavily GPU bottlenecked even with a 6900xt.

This means 1080p is no longer a good resolution for a CPU benchmark until we get significantly faster GPUs. So reviewers should have used 720p for their benchmarks.

The vast majority of benchmarking I saw today ended up being a GPU benchmark not a CPU benchmark
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CPU speed has been increasing faster than GPUs lately so everything is tied at the top and will be the same when zen 3D is released as we won't have any next gen GPUs by then.
 
Alan McFall said:
They're saying 6 cores isn't enough anymore and also saying it's too expensive when it is infact cheaper than the 5600x and smashes it in performance, I think they talking crap tbh.
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bloody Germans aye, Germany is a heavy amd stronghold the vast majority of people there go for amd. So I'd not be surprised if they were favouring amd
 
Grim5 said:
So HUB and GN both used a 360mm aio on the 12900k

but GN got 20c lower temp than HUb

pick your AIO carefully! Some AIO do not work properly with alder lake. HUB tried a Corsair h115i and msi aio and both produced rubbish temps basically throttling but GN's artic freezer had no issue at all cooling the 12900k
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I noticed this too and it will be interesting to see what the userbase experience is going to be.

It is also worth noting that as @stooeh pointed out the power usage during gaming seems to be very similar to a 5900X/5950X. The much, much higher power usage is when at constant full load.
 
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