Alder Lake-S leaks

Joxeon · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:24

V F said:
Damn! Though seriously, I'm loving more and more of these boards with the plastic and metal covers hiding most of the circuitry. Plus I've started growing fond of E-ATX.

Purgatory said:
Cheapest 4 slot spaced motherboard is £930 to £1660... so anyone wanting to stick 2 x 3090 in and use the official 3090 bridge in is in for a expensive time again as was on AM4 motherboards with 4 slot spacing, unless they buy the 3 slot spaced motherboard and the A6000 3 slot bridge at £250...if you can even get them.

Anyways lets wait for the reviews and see what Intel has really done.... This is all a bad sign what is coming for AM5 motherboards with PCI 5 and DDR 5 too..

Edit: maybe this one too is 4 slot spaced but can't see any specs for it if it supports pci 5.0 8x8x on the two slots as no details yet.

Z690 Aorus Master - Intel Z690 DDR5 ATX Motherboard for £430..

or even this (but again no details on the slots if they will do 8x8x):-

Z690 Aorus Pro - Intel Z690 DDR5 ATX Motherboard for £290..

I'm sure anyone with the cash to buy 2 3090s won't be concerned about board costs.

Purgatory · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:26

MagicBoy said:
£520 for ROG Hero!

My Haswell Rog Hero cost £165 back when they launched...

The Asrock Taichi was £320 for AM4 X570 and now £530 for Z690... £210 more now.. Can't wait for AM5 board prices and if they have all slots with PCIE 5.0... As these z690 boards have a max of 2 slots pcie 5.. and one pcie 5 nvme slot max.

jigger · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:26

humbug said:
You have to take in to account the amperage spikes on Ampere.

I don’t, I was really underwhelmed with Ampere and no chance was I going to build a system around it, so off to the great auction house in the sky it went.

Poneros · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:27

I’m not a big one on posting first-party benchmark results, but the high-level overview from Intel was this:

At 3.3 GHz, 12900K is +19% better in Single Thread Performance over the 11900K

Over the 11900K, the 12900K is +19% better at 1080p High with RTX 3090

Over the 11900K, the 12900K gets +84% better fps when concurrently streaming

Over the 11900K, the 12900K is +22-100% better in content creation (Adobe)

Over the 11900K, the 12900K is +50% faster in BlenderMT at 241W (vs 250W)

Over the 11900K, the 12900K performs the same in BlenderMT at only 65W (vs 250W)

All of Intel’s tests were using Windows 11, with DDR5-4400 vs DDR4-3200. Intel did have a small one slide of comparisons against AMD in gaming with an RTX 3090, however they stated they were done without the latest L3 patch fix, and admitted that they would have preferred to show us full results. By the time this article goes live, we may have seen those results at Intel’s event.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16959/intel-innovation-alder-lake-november-4th/6

Journey · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:31

Joxeon said:
£269 for a 12600KF looks like a bargain if it beats a 5800X in MT considering the 5600X launched at £320 and couldn't even beat a 3700X in MT.

But the 5600X didn't launch at that price, did it? It was £279 for weeks, until AMD stopped forcing retailers to cap the prices, and then it was scalped. Are you going to make a note of the 12600K going up to £329 in a few weeks once the initial launch pricing isn't being held back?

Jay85 · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:32

humbug said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/processors/intel/socket-1700-alder-lake

You know what, prices aren't horrible... I was expecting a lot higher prices tbh.

Jay85 · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:36

Be interesting to see the performance different between DDR4 boards and DDR5 boards in games. It could be tempting if there's a big boost still using a DDR4 board with a 12900k. Waiting to see what other DDR4 mini itx boards release.

Digital X · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:37

As much as I love AMD now, I did have a quick butchers. Must be strong and stay with what I have. I doubt I would see significant gains in what I do, and I haven't even had my 5600X barely a year...

I'm a sucker for new tech.

jigger · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:39

Jay85 said:
Be interesting to see the performance different between DDR4 boards and DDR5 boards in games. It could be tempting if there's a big boost still using a DDR4 board with a 12900k. Waiting to see what other DDR4 mini itx boards release.

It will be swings and roundabouts. Some workloads will perform better with DDR5. Probably some games too.

Jay85 · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:40

jigger said:
It will be swings and roundabouts. Some workloads will perform better with DDR5. Probably some games too.

Yeah i am thinking this, can't imagine there would be a huge impact on games especially with the initial batch of ram with the higher latency. Have to wait and see what the reviews show and go from there.

Purgatory · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:45

Joxeon said:
I'm sure anyone with the cash to buy 2 3090s won't be concerned about board costs.

Well the platforms with 4 slot spacing seem to be very expensive for what they are, many want to build a cheap workstation and the boards with 4 slot spacing always seem to be very expensive even on general consumer boards and not HEDT motherboards.

RavenXXX2 · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:46

Waiting for reviews.

Sem · 27 Oct 2021 at 17:51

Purgatory said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...s/intel/lga-1700-z690-chipset?sPage=1&sSort=4

looks like my 15 year streak of Asus Rampage/maximus/crosshair etc boards ends with Alderlake with such ridiculous pricing

the hero boards are now 500+ but lacks the features i need i can just about stomach the 620 for the formula but no chance with that white color scheme leaving the extreme witch is nearly 1k...
1k for a motherboard almost 2x the price of the cpu? seriously lol...

also im not one of the cheap types complaining about prices ive always bought flagship cpu/mobo/gpu's etc and dont mind paying top prices but you got the draw the line when a company tries to take the ****

the Aorus master looks good at under 500 and has 10gbe Ethernet that i need so i guess im going gigabyte for the first time since the p3 days

uscool · 27 Oct 2021 at 18:02

whats the reason we only get to see reviews on 4th Nov when you get to receive the chip ?

mrk · 27 Oct 2021 at 18:06

So I've priced up a 12700K build as was initially going to go 12900K (may still just go for it tbh) but it seems the price is perfect for what's on offer now. I have no interest in DDR5 just yet as have plenty capable DDR4 32GB 3600MHz currently anyway.

This is an upgrade from a 6700K on a Gigabyte Z170X Gaming-5 mobo (Corsair H115i AIO) which going by the CPU-Z benchmark for MT/ST score, even the new i5 12600K trounces, so a 12700 will give me more than enough Lightroom and video transcoding power I need as well as the odd game here and there - At least from everything I'm reading with the latest leaks being considered.

The AIO in the basket below is just something I fancied a change to as it doesn't look like my OG H115i non-RGB is going to get a bracket from Corsair for 1700 :/

Thoughts?

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i7-12700K 3.60GHz (Alder Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail= £419.99
1 x Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4 - Intel Z690 DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £184.99
1 x NZXT Kraken X53 AIO CPU Water Cooler - 240mm= £99.95
1 x Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g)= £5.99
1 x Arctic Silver ArctiClean Thermal Material Remover and Surface Purifier - 60ml Kit= £6.95

Total: £717.87 (includes shipping: £0.00)

RavenXXX2 · 27 Oct 2021 at 18:14

Save yourself some cash and get the kf.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1700-processor-retail-cp-6a0-in.html

Joxeon · 27 Oct 2021 at 18:16

Journey said:
But the 5600X didn't launch at that price, did it? It was £279 for weeks, until AMD stopped forcing retailers to cap the prices, and then it was scalped. Are you going to make a note of the 12600K going up to £329 in a few weeks once the initial launch pricing isn't being held back?

It was £290 at OCUK and was out of stock for 2 months before returning for around £320. Even now it's going for £299

snarloas1982 · 27 Oct 2021 at 18:18

Guys is there much difference between the Asus strix around 400 and the hero at 500? I went with the hero in the past but I'm not seeing much reason for me paying the extra.

mrk · 27 Oct 2021 at 18:25

RavenXXX2 said:
Save yourself some cash and get the kf.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1700-processor-retail-cp-6a0-in.html

Good shout, i don't need the IGP side of things for anything so yeah no point paying for something not being used!

GN has a good video on the lot too just watched, interesting the MHz difference in the ecore speeds between 12700 and 12900, he says this /could/ yield better performance on the 12700 in some scenarios.

RavenXXX2 · 27 Oct 2021 at 18:30

Yeah I'm going for the i5 KF, but prefer to see how it performs first.