All in one controller?

Don
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Hi guys,

I'm looking for an all in one controller so I can get rid of the below controllers for everyday use. I know Logitech do some, are these the only real ones out there to get and will they definately control what I require?

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That's for my Samsung TV, Pioneer AV, Sky and WD Live device. Pretty new stuff so I can't imagine what I want being an issue?

What kind of prices are the controllers?

Cheers
 
Look up the model numbers on the logitech my harmony website and if thye all correspond, then the zapper will do as it is told.

What surprises me is that there isn't 'an app for that'.
A proper universal app.
 
I have a Harmony One and it's pretty much the best and most intuitive remote I've ever used. Takes a wee bit of setting up but that's to be expected with so many remotes. You set up the activities on your pc, then program the remote and you're away. You can also add and change buttons and setting or even learn commands from the old handset.
Highly recommend it.
 
There are dozens of options. What's right for you though will be dictated by your budget, and then by the level of control you want and how much work you are prepared to put in (or pay for) to achieve that.

Dealing with your PS3 is possible too. But not directly from the remote control. It will involve an adapter that plugs in to the PS3's USB socket. This will take Infra Red and convert it to commands that the PS3 can understand. The cheap ones have a limited set of command instructions. In other words, they'll do some functions but not all. The more expensive ones will handle a greater range of commands. This is important to remember when shopping. Not all PS3 IR to Bluetooth adapters are created equal. Prices for this part will range from £35 to over £100.

When it comes to remotes your choices fall in to three camps:

There's the basic universal remote. This is a dumb device that simply replicates commands. This is the kind of thing you can pick up from a supermarket or Amazon for £10 ~ £40.

What distinguishes the mediocre from the best in class is the device database and design. The remotes are programmed with a device database covering the most popular product on the market for the current period. If you have mainstream products from the last 5 years then the chance of the remote being able to work it are very high. If you happen to own an obscure make of TV from 30 years ago then the chance of it being listed is low. The good news though is that manufacturers use a generic set of IR commands specific to a brand. This means the IR code for Vol+ on your Samsung TV will be the same as sets from 10-15 years ago, and it won't clash with Philips or Sony or Panasonic etc. Look to brands such as One For All, Harmony and Philips for the most comprehensive IR database. One For All has a searchable database so that you can check a specific model of remote will definitely control your gear before purchase.

Then there's the simple learning and PC programmable remotes. These range in price from £30 to £200.

At the bottom end of this range are the remotes with a simple head-to-head IR learning facility. This gets rid of the total reliance on a built-in database. Head-to-head learning is exactly what it says. You point two remotes at each other and learn one key at a time from the donor to the new remote. This is useful if the new remote is missing a certain function. Learning like this is best done to supplement the existing command database. The reason is three-fold. First; the chances of finding a product where there's absolutely no commands in the database are pretty slim. Second; learning isn't without its problems. Stray light, incomplete command capture and user incompetence can make the learn process very frustrating. Since there's no way to see the captured code and check that it is clean then it's a case of suck it and see, then repeat. Third; it's a pain in the backside to learn a lot of codes.

In the middle and upper end of the price range is where you find most Harmonys. Starting at around £60 you'll notice the remotes start to add some form of screen. This is to try to deal with the problem of button overload. Look at your remotes. You'll find certain buttons that are unique e.g. Sky's backup and the Sky button, your surround kit's audio processing buttons, Search on the WDTV etc. It's impractical to produce a remote with a physical complete with legend for each of these functions. Adding soft buttons via the screen helps. However, it does introduce some problems of its own. You end up paging through screens to find functions. This is a by-product of Harmony's set-up wizard based on a universal template. They're quick to get set-up and running. But one size doesn't fit all.

At the top end of the market are the fully-customisable "Rolls Royce" touchscreen remotes. New prices start from £1000 up. But used prices start from under £100 for colour touchscreen.

In the consumer market these remotes are the last word in bespoke control. You are not restricted by wizards or databases. If you wish to use them there are set-up templates. But if you prefer to start with a blank canvas then you can have any button anywhere on screen. For a small sample of the range and breadth of creativity of screen layouts have a look here Along side the creative is the practical side of things. Having a great looking interface is pointless if the remote doesn't do what's needed. Having a blank canvas helps. These remotes can be set up with exactly the layout and functions you need. Most of the best designs are simple, clean and elegant.
 
As a counter point, I have a Harmony One and it's terrible. It's often slow, and the combination of a touch screen with something that you need to point at your devices (since it's still IR) is an awful idea. To delete something from my Sky planner I need to look at the screen to find the button labelled 'Yellow', then move the remote to a position where the pretty rubbish IR transmitter can successfully send to my Sky box, and then press what I hope is the Yellow button since I can't see the screen any more.

To be fair most of those issues aren't down to the Logitech remote, but the combination of something that uses IR and also a touchscreen is terrible for user interaction. I'm currently looking around to see if I can get a Wi-Fi IR blaster that I can use with a phone app that isn't terrible.
 
Also consider ipad /jellybean /ios equivelants as well - less advanced than the traditional remotes (in most cases these are only gen 1 of the software) but you may find you can d/l pioneer / Samsung apps for free depending on what models you have

This may be bareable if you already have an ipad floating around - while you research software combined remotes for your particular ipad-alike

(Im dying to get a mini ipad with the high quality screen for this kind of job, if only I had the funds :D)

IE you may currently have to have a different app for every device (only slightly less frustrating than physically different remotes lol but they should be free at least) - I haven't heard of any multi controller apps yet (although Im sure Harmony are working on it amongst others) and you may find you are an unofficial bug-tester for a while.
 
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Lucid, you must do no work every day after answering all the questions on here with such in depth responses! (Unless you just have a reference folder and copy and paste since the same questions pop up often)

Out of interest for the "Top End" market, have you got any model numbers for the actual remotes?
 
Lol, sometimes it feels that way. :D

Upper-end market stuff would be RTI, Crestron and AMX for current new product. RTI spans everything from IR/RF enabled handsets to iPad/smartphone apps to to full-on whole house integrated control. AMX and Crestron are geared more towards whole house control.

Older mid-market products would be Pronto and Nevo. Both have RF/IP bridges for controlling gear out of line of sight. The touchscreen handsets also include superior quality IR emitters. This solves the problem that Caged referred to. There's no issue hitting the IR receivers on equipment while reading and operating the touchscreen. This is one of several crucial differences that mark a significant performance upgrade over the Harmony remotes.
 
Interesting. We're looking to move in a couple years into a City Centre flat and i'm thinking it would be worth investing fairly heavily into home automation.
 
Harmony One here myself - does everything I need with:

Onkyo Amp
PS3
Xbox
HTPC
Virgin V+
CD Player

Had to buy an adapter to get it working with the PS3, but well worth it for the fact that one device replaces 6 or 7. Even got it working properly with XBMC so that it has multi-tap keys and can go back to windows/shutdown the pc etc.

Wouldn't be without it :)
 
I have a Harmony One but I agree with what Caged says about there being a lack of dedicated "colour" buttons.

I also have two Harmony 300 which I use in other rooms in the house - it's actually better in some regards i.e. it has colour buttons and not having to use a dock to keep charged.

I find them really useful but it only has a limit of 4 devices it can control and doesn't support "actions" such as "turn on my TV, turn on my virgin media box, switch TV to HDMI" all in one button press.
 
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