All you non overclockers tell me why you don't overclock?
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Nice thread.
Ive been Overclocking since the days of my K6-2 400, I wasn't to sure what I was doing at first, but managed to up it to 450 with more volts, can't remember how many volts now.
But I really got into it when OcUK did the AMD Thunderbird CPUs, (Back in 2002 when I joined I think) I brought a AXIA 1.0Ghz and Overclocked it to 1.4Ghz
Overclocking has a great satisfaction about it and its totally free
Ive been Overclocking since the days of my K6-2 400, I wasn't to sure what I was doing at first, but managed to up it to 450 with more volts, can't remember how many volts now.
But I really got into it when OcUK did the AMD Thunderbird CPUs, (Back in 2002 when I joined I think) I brought a AXIA 1.0Ghz and Overclocked it to 1.4Ghz
Overclocking has a great satisfaction about it and its totally free
monkeypants said:
It depends - if I spend what I consider to be a reasonable amount of money (which by a lot of your standards would be a small amount
) on a machine and it starts to struggle within a year, then I'd almost certainly overclock.If my comp lasts for years (3+) before it starts to struggle then I don't really see the point in overclocking. Because at the very best you could hope for say a 50% gain, but 3 years worth of technology means that, IMO, you'd be better off overhauling the whole setup and buying some cheap components again, that will no doubtedly offer a far bigger increase than even the best overclock on such outdated hardware ever could!
That's the way I look at it anyway
what is that shocked look for?!
you think that overclocking 3 or 4 year old hardware is worth it?
comming from someone who seems to upgrade things every few months, I'm not sure what your point is?
You think I should overclock something like a P4 / 9600xt instead of spending a few hundred pounds on something like a 6300 and a 1900xt?
LOL, just LOL
you think that overclocking 3 or 4 year old hardware is worth it?
comming from someone who seems to upgrade things every few months, I'm not sure what your point is?
You think I should overclock something like a P4 / 9600xt instead of spending a few hundred pounds on something like a 6300 and a 1900xt?
LOL, just LOL
Well its not overclocked because it still does what I want
But if in a few months time it isn't doing what I want, then yes I'll go out and buy something like a 6300 and run it at stock. And it'll do far more than I need it to, so I won't feel the need to overclock.
I can't believe that someone like yourself, who spends almost as much on a graphics card as I would on a whole machine, is suggesting that I should spend time overclocking hardware that is over 3 years old, instead of getting a huge increase by spending a couple of hundred pounds on new hardware.
Its honestly just laughable!! There's a huge irony in what you're saying and I can't believe that you don't see it!
But if in a few months time it isn't doing what I want, then yes I'll go out and buy something like a 6300 and run it at stock. And it'll do far more than I need it to, so I won't feel the need to overclock.
I can't believe that someone like yourself, who spends almost as much on a graphics card as I would on a whole machine, is suggesting that I should spend time overclocking hardware that is over 3 years old, instead of getting a huge increase by spending a couple of hundred pounds on new hardware.
Its honestly just laughable!! There's a huge irony in what you're saying and I can't believe that you don't see it!
div0 said:Well its not overclocked because it still does what I want
But if in a few months time it isn't doing what I want, then yes I'll go out and buy something like a 6300 and run it at stock. And it'll do far more than I need it to, so I won't feel the need to overclock.
I can't believe that someone like yourself, who spends almost as much on a graphics card as I would on a whole machine, is suggesting that I should spend time overclocking hardware that is over 3 years old, instead of getting a huge increase by spending a couple of hundred pounds on new hardware.
Its honestly just laughable!! There's a huge irony in what you're saying and I can't believe that you don't see it!
This notion that overclocking takes up loads of time is myth and should stop now.
I have just overclocked a mates aging 2.8ghz northwood to 3.6ghz.Its 3 years old.
He added another gig of ram and got a 7600 GT GFX card.
Its now just given a new lease of life into this system.So I can't believe that you don't see it.
What is laughable is getting a 6300 and running it at stock.
In five mins I could have that cpu running at 3ghz fully stable out pacing a 700 quid extreme edition.With no ill effects.
In fact the chances are that a 6300 would do 2.8ghz on stock voltage so all you would have to do it change 3 digits in the bios from 266 to 400.
Why anyone would not do this and have performance for free is beyond me.
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easyrider said:
Thats great for him - but for someone who's reason for upgrading his graphics card every few months is "some people just like to have the latest tech".
then is it quite hard to understand that I may just like to have some new, (but not very expensive) hardware once every few years?
easyrider said:What is laughable is getting a 6300 and running it at stock.
In five mins I could have that cpu running at 3ghz fully stable out pacing a 700 quid extreme edition.With no ill effects.
In fact the chances are that6 that 6300 would do 2.8ghz on stock voltage so all you would have to do it change 3 digits in the bios from 266 to 400.
Why anyone would not do this and have performance for free is beyond me.
Because I simply won't NEED it! If I needed the increase then I've already said, I'd do that.
You seem to be missing the point. The question was asked, "why don't you overclock".
My answer is:
1) I am happy to spend a few hundred pounds every 3 years or so on a machine.
2) That machine meets and far exceeds my needs
3) IF that machine continues to meet my needs for 3 years then I have no reason to overclock (agreed?). If it doesn't, then I would overclock.
4) After 3 years, I feel the need for something new. So I fancy buying up some new hardware for a few hundred pounds again.
Do you understand now? YES, I COULD overclock, but I have no need to. And by the time I have any need to (usually 3 years after my last purchase), then I've got the "itch" for something new.
I can afford to buy something new - so why shouldn't I?! By your own logic, you upgrade because you want to have the latest and greatest, well I upgrade after 3 years because I fancy something new by then.
I have no NEED to overclock, why is that so hard for you to understand?
Mmm wish it was that simple for me. When I was a kid my ma would say "you're never bloody satisfied". She was and is still right. I got my machine to appear stable at 425FSB 3.4Ghz. But it gets too hot under a load, so I haven't stressed it proper. I have managed to convince myself that a spend £35-£40 on a new cooler is not worth the 200Mhz gain I would get. Once the decorating/house maintenance is payed for and I have some spare cash, I will probably go for it.
Why? it's a buzz I find it exciting and I like a challenge. I thought of lapping my current cooler, but for a couple of degrees is it worth it? I have read that some OEM c2d's have a concave IHS. I'll be checking this out when the builders, debris and dust have gone. I might not even get a rock solid 425, even if I do keep the CPU cool. I will certainly get no more without a volt mod, and although this does not scare me, I do need some spare cash for a replacement if I kill the mobo.
It is an adventure and it is fun and until one starts with the volt mods it is relatively risk free. Definately safer than crossing the road
Why? it's a buzz I find it exciting and I like a challenge. I thought of lapping my current cooler, but for a couple of degrees is it worth it? I have read that some OEM c2d's have a concave IHS. I'll be checking this out when the builders, debris and dust have gone. I might not even get a rock solid 425, even if I do keep the CPU cool. I will certainly get no more without a volt mod, and although this does not scare me, I do need some spare cash for a replacement if I kill the mobo.
It is an adventure and it is fun and until one starts with the volt mods it is relatively risk free. Definately safer than crossing the road
easyrider said:
Does everyone want more speed? Seems from some peoples comments that they don't.
There are plenty of "speed freaks" out there (myself included) but not everyone is. Not everyone needs the extra performance.
Not everyone has the same viewpoint as everyone else. Some people just dont want to overclock. That's their decision and should be accepted by others.
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Overclocking WILL NOT reduce the life of your CPU.mspumperer said:
Increasing the voltage WILL.
Higher temps WILL.
So instead of your CPU lasting 25~30 years... It will only last 20~25 years.
Oh-noes.
If you still have the same CPU after 20 years - You seriously need an upgrade!
(That was solder and wires on a board was it not... 20 years ago.
)I have never fried any hardware due to overclocking and have overclocked all of my systems and half of my mates.
XP2500 Barton could go straight to an XP3200 at standard volts.
With a decent cooler (spend £5~10 more on it) the temps were the same as a stock cooler. CPU life the same. (around 25 years)
My X2 - 2800, runs as an X2 - 3800 at 48'C.
(One core will do 2.8!! Other one only does 2.66.
)Again, in a MINIMUM of 5 years it will have been replaced.
In terms of why not... Only reasons I can think of are:
-Scared of something new
-Too good to be true
-Scared of frying their new kit
-They only browse the web on it anyway
-Don't know a good heatsink from a tub of butter and don't want to spend the time reading reviews
OK, a little knowledge is a dangerous tool.
But if one likes researching about things, then overclocking is simple.
Oh, the comment about time spent OC'ing... I generally test, O/C, test etc for about a week.
System then stays at that clock for the rest of time.
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The best way, by far, is to read up on a few guides.Nahema said:
Some of them will have step by step guides, but if you understand what you are doing, then step-by step guides become superfluous.
The only reason to up the voltage for example is to make the 'peaks' higher.
(Logic circuits work on if the voltage is at 0.5 or above it's a 1, lower than 0.5 it's a 0. If when overclocking, your '1's only get up to 0.5 most of the time, occasionally 0.4999 - Then errors creep in. Increasing the voltage makes the peaks higher, therefore always over 0.5 for example)
If you are willing to spend a day or weekend reading up on various different guides (anandtech have great guides) - You will then understand what overclocking is all about.
This will help when you go to your next mobo/chipset, you will know more in the first place and overclocking will become a simple matter.
(Even if it involves spreadsheets!)
It's just if person A is willing to spend a weekend of their time researching what they are about to do.