Not all Zen chips will be APU’s either.
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All Zen4 to have iGPU by design
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Not all Zen chips will be APU’s either.
While you are right that's never going to happen, and you never want to hang a secondary monitor off the iGP or diagnose a board of graphic card, what about if Intel's idea of running some post processing stuff or upscaler on the integrated takes off?
Sometimes like could benefit everyone who was an integrated GPU in their CPU.
Not only could it happen it’s 100% certain to happen.
DDR5 will open up a lot of performance and that is before you consider 3D V-cache and HBM.
Soldato
If IGPU's progress to where they're useful in enhancing games then of course I'll be interested.
This can be true in laptops if it has a limited power envelope for both CPU/GPU, I seem to remember that being an issue with AMD APUs prior to Ryzen, but using the IGP in a modern desktop CPU doesn't impact responsiveness. I guess it might if we're talking multiple monitors and high refresh rates, but on an average desktop? No. I've used exactly the same systems with dGPU and Intel IGPs and there's no difference.
I believe that’s only for new contracts and TSMC have to build a new line of US fabs for Apple and Intel.
Although the US government has just written Intel a blank cheque to fix its fabrication problems, so maybe TSMC have given themselves at 10% bonus. So yeah, maybe we should thank Intel for pushing up CPU and GPU prices for everyone.
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Guess the cost of American semiconductor protectionism is not only going to be felt by American customers, then!
The real question is 10% or 40% of what?
Accurate TSMC wafer prices are hardly out on the open, and most customers probably get lots discount for certain things making them totally opaque for us.
You’d think Intel with its trillions of dollars would do the decent thing and start it’s own fabs like the other capitalist silicon companies in China do.
Well, any spare money they'd rather give to their shareholders via sharebuyback, and let the government indulge them with corporate welfare.
They are simply too big to fail. And what better way to fail upward than to become another Boeing always able to rely on monies from the DoD?
And remember kids:
Social Welfare is bad and anti-American.
Corporate Welfare is the greatest thing ever.
Having said all that, the first DoD corporate welfare cheque is pretty small
Intel Foundry Services gets a boost from $100M Pentagon award for US-made chips
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...t-from-100m-pentagon-award-for-us-made-chips/
That's pocket change!
The deal is not that straight forward. It’s worth billions in sales.
The US goverment asked TSMC to move it's advanced node production facilities to the US to get away from China.
The Taiwan government refused to let TSMC go because they want TSMC as leverage.
So the US government instead will pump money into Intel to ensure that if China invades Taiwan, the US still has access to advanced process nodes
The biggest concern for the US in that region is that TSMC is either bombed and destroyed by China or not destroyed, China takes over production and immediately refuses to sell chips to the West
The Taiwan government refused to let TSMC go because they want TSMC as leverage.
So the US government instead will pump money into Intel to ensure that if China invades Taiwan, the US still has access to advanced process nodes
The biggest concern for the US in that region is that TSMC is either bombed and destroyed by China or not destroyed, China takes over production and immediately refuses to sell chips to the West
TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant - Nikkei Asia
The powerplay heats up
Intel are apparently trying to scupper the deal.
Caporegime
It wouldn't surprise me, just think, no competition from TSMC, it gives them the monopoly and as an added bonus their arch-rival has to come crawling to them bowl in hands.
Apparently Intel are upset TSMC are setting up in the same state and the US Congress is offering support.
Caporegime
Oh no, competition, can't have that, make them stop congress.
Intel are feeble and pathetic.
Intel have to take some responsibility for the silicon shortage issue. They have been woeful at getting a steady from their own fabs and have fully equipped plants that have never produced a single chip, while buying up swathes of TSMC supply.
Caporegime
Intel have $100 Billion in debts, this for a company with a market value currently of around $220 Billion.
Their margins are falling, from 63% in 2016, to 62% in 2017, 60% in 2018, 58% in 2019 and 56% in 2020.
I hope their margins keep falling because that absolutely makes investors fly in to a blind panic and they start pulling their long term money out, when that happens the massive weight of Intel's debts will crush them.
Intel are behaving like a wounded bull in a china shop thrashing around trying to hold on to their monopolies and its about time they got pinned down.
AMD, just undercut the #### out of them in everything, make their margins free-fall.