no because they had to reduce the performance on paper of the cheaper cpu's not to undermine there higher end ones.
geddit?
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Allendale or Conroe?
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no because they had to reduce the performance on paper of the cheaper cpu's not to undermine there higher end ones.
geddit?
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Conroe = 4Mb
Allendale = 2Mb
Intel wants to save money. Conroes that failed the 4mb test get cut to 2Mb, if they fail that they get cut to 1Mb and if they fail that it gets chucked.
I wouldn't be surprised all C2D chips are conroes from the start, although Intel might make 2Mb versions but in business terms it seems silly to me.
Allendale = 2Mb
Intel wants to save money. Conroes that failed the 4mb test get cut to 2Mb, if they fail that they get cut to 1Mb and if they fail that it gets chucked.
I wouldn't be surprised all C2D chips are conroes from the start, although Intel might make 2Mb versions but in business terms it seems silly to me.
On Paper !
They reduced the performance on Paper - spot on mate.
"On paper" still does not sway from the fact that they still have a 4MB cache thats been crippled due to failing tests to 2MB.
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what i meant by on paper was that there specxs will only have 2mb cache as aposed to 4mb, but the performance drop in real terms will not be significant.
Oh, thats not fair!!!
How the hell can I carry on arguing when you come up with that gem?
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Their specs of 2MB as opposed to 4MB is marginal... if there is any true difference that a normal human will actually see, then he or she will be abnormal - benchmarks might show something but a person will not.
Also, whether the CPU is designed with 2MB or is 4MB thats knocked down to 2MB makes absolutely no bloody difference in real world terms. I know that, you know that.
1MB to 2MB is noticeable however, or rather the latest C2D system I knocked up recently is based on an E2180 and it is not the sharpest CPU in the drawer thats for sure, but its still capable all the same.
Allendales are native 2mb chips. Conroe-2m i.e. e6300/e6400 are the ones with 2mb cache laser cut.
The e2xxx chips may be allendales with 1mb laser cut though.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/10508/1
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Heh Ghost in correct
It's the [B2] chips vs the [L2] chips
Allendale. Overclockers.co.uk are showing incorrect info
In many ways the guy who said "who cares?" is absolutely spot on.
Allendale and Conroe are Intel internal development names for CPU strategies. Once the marketing people got hold of the actual product all that theoretical 2Mb vs 4Mb cache stuff was right out the window. Initially the E6300 and E6400 CPUs were marketed as Allendales, however it became clear that these were actually defective Conroes that were cache-binned, and the real Allendales were the E4x00 series as they were actually made with only 2mb cache on purpose. So what does that make an E2180? I don't know and I don't care.
4x0 series are Celerons with the Core2 Architecture
21x0 series are Pentiums with the Core2 Architecture
4xx0, 6xx0 are Core2Duos and Core2Quads with the Core2 Architecture, as are 9xx0 series series, but they are Core2 Architecture made on a 45nm die.
For me the only name that matters is what it says on the box. Anything else is (at best) informed speculation. What may have started out as clear-cut definitions have been messed up and blurred to the point at which all that really matters is how much does it cost and how does it perform? And by that yardstick the E21x0 series are cracking value.
Allendale and Conroe are Intel internal development names for CPU strategies. Once the marketing people got hold of the actual product all that theoretical 2Mb vs 4Mb cache stuff was right out the window. Initially the E6300 and E6400 CPUs were marketed as Allendales, however it became clear that these were actually defective Conroes that were cache-binned, and the real Allendales were the E4x00 series as they were actually made with only 2mb cache on purpose. So what does that make an E2180? I don't know and I don't care.
4x0 series are Celerons with the Core2 Architecture
21x0 series are Pentiums with the Core2 Architecture
4xx0, 6xx0 are Core2Duos and Core2Quads with the Core2 Architecture, as are 9xx0 series series, but they are Core2 Architecture made on a 45nm die.
For me the only name that matters is what it says on the box. Anything else is (at best) informed speculation. What may have started out as clear-cut definitions have been messed up and blurred to the point at which all that really matters is how much does it cost and how does it perform? And by that yardstick the E21x0 series are cracking value.
Yes, fully agreed.
And in using your information to answer the Original post... What is it, An Allendale or a Conroe, then we are still no closer are we?
Well, yes we are.
Its FSB is 200 so therefore its Allendale.
And in using your information to answer the Original post... What is it, An Allendale or a Conroe, then we are still no closer are we?
Well, yes we are.
Its FSB is 200 so therefore its Allendale.
At the moment I think it does yes.
The Allendales are on the 800 no matter what.
The Conroes are at 1066 or indeed 1333
All the xx50 Intels will be on 1333 it seems.
Also all the 1066 CPUs require switching to 1333 one they go over 400FSB anyway, so this only verifies that the FSB does indeed come into it.
I do know how this applies to the Allendales however? I have not tried clocking mine much at all...
Once it hits 266, does it go to 1066 or stick to 800? - if it goes to 400+ then does that too also go to 1333?
Interesting.
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Oh, I just had a quick peek at my C2D BIOS Startup screens ealier on, and its true!
The E2180 says its a Pentium based CPU with EMT64
The Conroes say Core2
I didnt write down exactly what it said, I just noticed it thats all.
Marvellous!
So, I got a Pentium then? - BooHoo! LOL
The Allendales are on the 800 no matter what.
The Conroes are at 1066 or indeed 1333
All the xx50 Intels will be on 1333 it seems.
Also all the 1066 CPUs require switching to 1333 one they go over 400FSB anyway, so this only verifies that the FSB does indeed come into it.
I do know how this applies to the Allendales however? I have not tried clocking mine much at all...
Once it hits 266, does it go to 1066 or stick to 800? - if it goes to 400+ then does that too also go to 1333?
Interesting.
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Oh, I just had a quick peek at my C2D BIOS Startup screens ealier on, and its true!
The E2180 says its a Pentium based CPU with EMT64
The Conroes say Core2
I didnt write down exactly what it said, I just noticed it thats all.
Marvellous!
So, I got a Pentium then? - BooHoo! LOL
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Sounds like an Allendale to me?
INTEL just bought the Pentium name back for use on their low end CPU range?
Anyway apart from a sticker and a box there is not much difference once you start overclocking, now get that chip at 3GHz for starters
lol I know its an Allendale. I dont really care.
Im also not really all that arsed about clocking it either, Im only piddling about with it more than anything, its not my main machine. I only got it purely top upgrade my Opteron setup, but its not been much of an upgrade at all, so I will get a different CPU instead, maybe another Q66 ?
Im also not really all that arsed about clocking it either, Im only piddling about with it more than anything, its not my main machine. I only got it purely top upgrade my Opteron setup, but its not been much of an upgrade at all, so I will get a different CPU instead, maybe another Q66 ?
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Cheers guys
Pharkinell....
Im chuffed that I got an old P4 up to 4.7 ( Stable too, but too hot for my heart )... I would just love to see what the Core2 CPUs are like at 4.7
Heck.
No, I have just gone to Quad for my main setup. I dont at this time have an AM2 so maybe my next build will be AMD Phlegm-on Quad, even though the reports are not too peachy, I dont care.
I wont be splashing out silly money for a fair while now. Im overly happy with what I have... I have a nasty habit of seeing somehting I dont have, and I buy it... EG, the Opteron 175I bought on *** 2nd of December this year ( few weks ago ) is now sat under the workbench, along with a load of other half decent PCs that will end up rusting away.