Almost a vegetarian!

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My mate went veggie once after watching some PETA videos. That was until I pointed out his leather shoes, belt and goose down pillow and duvet set. He spent that night sleeping on the bare mattress then went back to eating meat the next day.

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except it isn't, a systematic review off all the studies done to date, show its worse.

what used to be true is veggies had to cook from scratch and this was healthier and the average meat eater, who consumed a lot of processed stuff.
you dont have to eat processed stuff as a meat eater, and most vegie food is now the same processed rubbish.

Which review?
 
except it isn't, a systematic review off all the studies done to date, show its worse.

what used to be true is veggies had to cook from scratch and this was healthier and the average meat eater, who consumed a lot of processed stuff.
you dont have to eat processed stuff as a meat eater, and most vegie food is now the same processed rubbish.

I would not say it is worse. I do agree on processed foods however. As a vegetarian I do not touch processed stuff. All these meat substitutes like quorn or "veg salami" are plain crap. Just take a look at the ingredients.
 
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Good for you OP, much healthier and cheaper.

Not everybody needs to stop completely, but reducing consumption to whatever level they are comfortable with is a great step everyone should take.

I eat meat on maybe a dozen days a year I would say. Still enjoy it but much happier eating it sparingly.
 
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Being vegetarian is not magically healthier.

If becoming a vegetarian forces you to look at your diet and start making more sensible choices with your food coming from a pee poor meat eating diet then of course it's going to improve your health.

On the other hand I've seen plenty of veggies who think living on chips, cheese, crisps and general rubbish with the merest sniff of real veg every now and again is perfectly fine. That's vegetarian, that's not healthy.

I live with a vegetarian who gets all the processed meat alternatives and generally eats muck, you're living in dream land if you think her diet is healthier than mine just because mine includes meat.
 
Being vegetarian is not magically healthier.

If becoming a vegetarian forces you to look at your diet and start making more sensible choices with your food coming from a pee poor meat eating diet then of course it's going to improve your health.

On the other hand I've seen plenty of veggies who think living on chips, cheese, crisps and general rubbish with the merest sniff of real veg every now and again is perfectly fine. That's vegetarian, that's not healthy.

I live with a vegetarian who gets all the processed meat alternatives and generally eats muck, you're living in dream land if you think her diet is healthier than mine just because mine includes meat.

Being vegetarian and not eating vegetables? :confused::D
 
Being vegetarian and not eating vegetables? :confused::D

Chips and crisps are made of potatoes :p Although that's my point really to most being vegetarian just means they'll cut out the meat and buy the substitutes, there's nothing inherently healthy in that.
 
vegans are insufferable.

*sigh*

...No they're not. Vegans have been demonised to make it look like every single one of them is a screeching, militant nutter who would rather walk across a bed of hot coals than sit in the same room as someone that's eating a bacon sarnie. Oh, and let you know within five seconds of speaking to them that they're vegan.

I can categorically say that this is not the case as I count many of them among my friends and while there's definitely one that falls into that category the majority of us are just like you, except we don't agree with using animal-based products. I went from being a full-on carnivore to meandering between occasional meat-eating and vegetarianism when I met my vegan missus-to-be before ultimately (and not reluctantly) becoming full vegan. I've been vegan for 4 years now and due to the every-expanding range of and surprisingly authentic mouth-feel and taste of meat/dairy replacement products I doubt I'll ever go back to meat or dairy - not to mention the fact that I feel stronger, healthier and fitter than I've ever felt before.

Looking at the environmental impact of the intensive meat-farming industry however, I do believe that there will be a point in our future where eating meat will either be seen as some sort of archaic backwards practise or that meat will become so extremely expensive that it will only be consumed by the absurdly wealthy. Whatever the case, I think the clock is counting down on the meat and dairy industries.
 
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*sigh*

...No they're not. Vegans have been demonised to make it look like every single one of them is a screeching, militant nutter who would rather walk across a bed of hot coals than sit in the same room as someone that's eating a bacon sarnie. Oh, and let you know within five seconds of speaking to them that they're vegan.

I can categorically say that this is not the case as I count many of them among my friends and while there's definitely one that falls into that category the majority of us are just like you, except we don't agree with using animal-based products. I went from being a full-on carnivore to meandering between occasional meat-eating and vegetarianism when I met my vegan missus-to-be before ultimately (and not reluctantly) becoming full vegan. I've been vegan for 4 years now and due to the every-expanding range of and surprisingly authentic mouth-feel and taste of meat/dairy replacement products I doubt I'll ever go back to meat or dairy - not to mention the fact that I feel stronger, healthier and fitter than I've ever felt before.

Looking at the environmental impact of the intensive meat-farming industry however, I do believe that there will be a point in our future where eating meat will either be seen as some sort of archaic backwards practise or that meat will become so extremely expensive that it will only be consumed by the absurdly wealthy. Whatever the case, I think the clock is counting down on the meat and dairy industries.

Can you post some links to the vegan meat alternatives you eat please?
 
*sigh*

...No they're not. Vegans have been demonised to make it look like every single one of them is a screeching, militant nutter who would rather walk across a bed of hot coals than sit in the same room as someone that's eating a bacon sarnie. Oh, and let you know within five seconds of speaking to them that they're vegan.

I can categorically say that this is not the case as I count many of them among my friends and while there's definitely one that falls into that category the majority of us are just like you, except we don't agree with using animal-based products. I went from being a full-on carnivore to meandering between occasional meat-eating and vegetarianism when I met my vegan missus-to-be before ultimately (and not reluctantly) becoming full vegan. I've been vegan for 4 years now and due to the every-expanding range of and surprisingly authentic mouth-feel and taste of meat/dairy replacement products I doubt I'll ever go back to meat or dairy - not to mention the fact that I feel stronger, healthier and fitter than I've ever felt before.

Looking at the environmental impact of the intensive meat-farming industry however, I do believe that there will be a point in our future where eating meat will either be seen as some sort of archaic backwards practise or that meat will become so extremely expensive that it will only be consumed by the absurdly wealthy. Whatever the case, I think the clock is counting down on the meat and dairy industries.

It was said in jest, hence the smiley.
The sooner we stop relying on animals to survive the better. I'm just not quite ready to give up cheese and other dairy foods yet:p

Eating in restaurants would just become too difficult as a vegan too. It's a whole new lifestyle.
 
Can you post some links to the vegan meat alternatives you eat please?

Sure.

At the moment, these are pretty new and rocking my world as although I hate the thought of eating meat these days, I still occasionally miss the flavours:

http://www.lindamccartneyfoods.co.uk/our-food/frozen-range/vegetarian-14lb-burgers/

They're uncannily similar to beef burgers to the point that I reckon you could tell someone they're actual beef burgers and they wouldn't know any different. Linda McCartney also do 'pulled pork' burgers which do contain honey so they're not 100% vegan, but sometimes we let that slide:

http://www.lindamccartneyfoods.co.uk/our-food/frozen-range/vegetarian-pulled-pork-14lb-burgers/

...They're absolutely delicious. I also occasionally miss having fish, but these have that covered and again feel and taste uncannily like cod steaks:

http://www.vbitesfoods.com/product/fishless-steaks-200g/
 
I couldn't imagine life without meat. To me meat is the main attraction on the plate with everything else playing a minor supporting role.

Most meat eaters don't think this just so you know. I feel sorry for you, having clearly never experienced fine cuisine.
 
It was said in jest, hence the smiley.
The sooner we stop relying on animals to survive the better. I'm just not quite ready to give up cheese and other dairy foods yet:p

Eating in restaurants would just become too difficult as a vegan too. It's a whole new lifestyle.

Haha! Ooops!

It can be a bit of a bind trying to find restaurants to cater for vegan food, but it's definitely getting easier and more and more vegan-exclusive places seem to be opening on what feels like a daily basis. :)
 
It really is when you consider we wouldn't be where we are today without it.

Every few weeks I go to a steakhouse and order the biggest, best quality rare steak available. Expensive, but damn it's perfection. If I had the money I'd be there twice a day. :p

Actually back then meat was probably just a treat. Our diets would have been mainly veggie.
 
When you properly think about it, it's genuinely fascinating to think why humans still eat meat. We are intelligent. We aren't killing stuff out of instinct any more. We have alternatives. We eat it because it's an old habit and because it tastes good (once it's heavily seasoned of course):p
 
Being vegetarian is not magically healthier.

Good points, I was using "healthier" as shorthand for "reduces risk of some cancers and makes one likely to take more interest in cooking balanced meals with fresh vegetables".

Bowel cancer is the 3rd most common worldwide and strongly linked to red meat.

When you properly think about it, it's genuinely fascinating to think why humans still eat meat. We are intelligent. We aren't killing stuff out of instinct any more. We have alternatives. We eat it because it's an old habit and because it tastes good (once it's heavily seasoned of course):p

This. Not taking meat for granted is a valuable lesson. Only learned by questioning the status quo.
 
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Good points, I was using "healthier" as shorthand for "reduces risk of some cancers and makes one likely to take more interest in cooking balanced meals with fresh vegetables".

Bowel cancer is the 3rd most common worldwide and strongly linked to red meat.

That's a myth. You're entitled to take a moral standpoint, just don't bring health into it.
 
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