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Alternative to chemical infested juice?
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Watched it just now...pretty much nonsense w/ v little scientific evidence to support many of the claims. When we hear about 'detox', sugar being akin to heroin and aspartame conspiracy, we know it's pretty much BS. I watched the whole thing and laughed heartily.
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I'm very open minded and I'm willing to hear you out. Without sounding cheeky. Can you back up what you're claiming?
What exactly don't you agree with and why? Then can you backup your claim with proof against what's said in the documentary?
I certainly agreed with the vast majority of it.
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Just to add. The sugar comparison to heroin was quite clearly an exaggeration trying to make the point it's extremely addictive. Which it quite clearly is.
With regards to aspartame, there is scientific evidence to back up their claims. If you watched it as you said you did... They tell you and show you.
With regards to aspartame, there is scientific evidence to back up their claims. If you watched it as you said you did... They tell you and show you.
No problem, just give me a minute or two to gather!
What was bad about this film?
1) As with the last film (Food Matters) there were a number of dubiously credentialed so-called experts. For example, a “Traditional and Wild Foods Expert” and a “Cleansing and Detoxification Expert”. Maybe it’s just me but I’m pretty sure anyone could claim to be such “experts”. Also, there were a whole lot of authors. Just because you wrote a book doesn't mean you are a credible source.
In addition to this, a number of the authors (e.g. Dr Mercola, and Jon Gabriel) are known pseudo-science hacks who promote unscientific and unsubstantiated claims. Some of their work is dangerous, and not based in fact. Want me to sum up the Gabriel method?: Take lots of fish oil, take lots of flax seed oil and/or grounded flax seeds, vitamin E, a multi vitamin and eat organic foods.
If you want an interesting read, which pretty much covers Dr Mercola's perspective, then google him name and 'microwaves'. Here's two links to get you started:
http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-...hould-throw-out-your-dangerous-microwave-oven
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola
On to the next.
Aspartame and caffeine, when mixed, kills brain cells. Where is the evidence for this, you might (rightly) ask? Well, a quick google finds nothing, well, except for websites, of - you guessed it - Dr Mercola, Dr Northrup (also in the film) and many other alternative practitioners. I'm pretty sure that if this were true a) Aspartame wouldn't be sold with caffeine, and b) there would be some research out there which proves the link.
This looks dangerously close to scare-mongering and conspiracy, to me.
On to the next.
Oh detoxification. These holistic nutritionists just love their detoxification diets. Listen up: DETOXIFICATION IS BULL****! Sorry, had to get that one out. There is no detoxification system in the body, there's no...actually, let's have doctor explain it better (with a Barbie doll!):
Detox is a marketing device. I wonder what they might promote to help with this detox? Oh yes: JUICING! I wonder whether any of the 'experts' might have a conflict of interest? Of course they do...
Dr Alejandro Junger – a cardiologist who created The Clean Program and wrote a book with the same name – Clean.
David Wolfe – Author of many best-selling books including Eating for Beauty, The Sunfood Diet Success System, Naked Chocolate, Superfoods, and The Longevity NOW Program. He is co-founder of TheBestDayEver.com online health magazine and is President of The Fruit Tree Planting Foundation with a mission to plant 18 billion fruit trees on planet Earth.
Daniel Vitalis – star of the ElixirCraft DVD which merges herbalism, super food nutrition and indigenous understanding.
Frank Ferrante – star of the May I be Frank documentary – shows the healing power of live food nutrition, daily positive affirmations, gratitude and holistic health practices. A former drug and alcohol addict living with Hepatitis C, obesity, pre-diabetes, and depression, Frank is today not only 110 pounds lighter and Hepatitis C-free.
Jason Vale – The Juice Master – Author of the 7lbs in 7 Days Super Juice Diet, Juice Yourself Slim and Kick the Drink…Easily!
That's just some of them as well!
I think that is enough for now.
Also, the main actress in the film is waging a constant battle with her weight. Yet, to me, she appears to be at a healthy weight. I don’t think it’s promoting the right message to show an attractive healthy woman trying to lose weight.
I agree with what I see as the fundamental aim of the film:
Eat better, exercise more, make sensible dietary choices, and so on.
What I DON'T agree with is scaring people with pseudoscientific claims, conspiracy theory and hyperbole: some of the things in the documentary are interesting, but then they get ruined by the 'experts' espousing nonsense.
As with everything, do what you want to do, but if you're using this documentary as a beacon of honesty and truth, then you need to do more research.
I've not talked about the nonsense claims for juicing and paleo diets, but these criticisms are easy to find with a quick google.
Eat a reasonably healthy diet, with a good mixture of foods, treat yourself to something naughty every so often and engage in some exercise. You don't need these BS fads to support a healthy life.
Eat better, exercise more, make sensible dietary choices, and so on.
What I DON'T agree with is scaring people with pseudoscientific claims, conspiracy theory and hyperbole: some of the things in the documentary are interesting, but then they get ruined by the 'experts' espousing nonsense.
As with everything, do what you want to do, but if you're using this documentary as a beacon of honesty and truth, then you need to do more research.
I've not talked about the nonsense claims for juicing and paleo diets, but these criticisms are easy to find with a quick google.
Eat a reasonably healthy diet, with a good mixture of foods, treat yourself to something naughty every so often and engage in some exercise. You don't need these BS fads to support a healthy life.
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That's correct. However I highly doubt they're telling us lies. I'm quite sure they have done a lot of research and know a fair bit about their topic. I could claim I'm an expert in something, I doubt I'd make it onto a DVD about it.
Well they say the proof is in the pudding, no pun intended. The man did go from 20 stone overweight to looking like something off the cover of mens health. Surely if all the things he said were BS... He would still be fat and miserable. He also looks very healthy and happy to me. You can't argue with what's in front of you.
So what? Because he has different views to everyone else, he's a nutter and whatever he says is absolute rubbish. He's promoting a healthy lifestyle, fresh fruit, veg and regular excercise. Eat natural food and not food made in a lab. That sounds like pretty sound advice to me.
Why would they benefit from scare mongering. Why would anyone benefit from telling you not to take aspartame. They're not selling you anything or gaining from it in any way. It's a huge controversy and probably always will be. However it appears to be true pilots aren't allowed to take it. There must be enough of it to ring true for that to happen. Not to mention people have done tests where twins drink diet coke and regular while eating the same thing. The twin who drank diet put on more weight than the twin who drank regular. Either way, it's a man made chemical and it certainly wont do you any harm "NOT" taking it... with regards to taking it, well it "MIGHT" not harm you... personally I'd prefer to not take it and stick to natural sweeteners like honey.On to the next.
Aspartame and caffeine, when mixed, kills brain cells. Where is the evidence for this, you might (rightly) ask? Well, a quick google finds nothing, well, except for websites, of - you guessed it - Dr Mercola, Dr Northrup (also in the film) and many other alternative practitioners. I'm pretty sure that if this were true a) Aspartame wouldn't be sold with caffeine, and b) there would be some research out there which proves the link.
This looks dangerously close to scare-mongering and conspiracy, to me.
That doctor looks like more of an idiot than anyone in the video, swearing and playing with barbies and talking about dirty water... EH!!??
The doctor in the youtube clip also mentions about sleeping properly and taking exercise. So does the people in the video! They're trying to promote a natural chemical free life where you eat proper fruit and veg, lean meats, nuts, seeds and drink plenty of water. That to me sounds like very good advice and that IS backed up my scientific evidence. They may use the word detox, but who cares. They're end goal and intentions are right.
There's nothing wrong with juicing at all, you are getting lots of fresh fruit and veg into your system quickly and in their raw natural state. You don't cook away the nutrients or have to digest or break down the food. Juicing is an excellent way to get your 5 a day, quick and easy. You can't argue with this. Not to mention Jason Vale used to suffer from all sorts of skin disorders and being overweight, he's no longer got these issues. If you look at the foods you are juicing and the nutrients they contain and their benefits, this is fact and it's pretty obvious everyone knows fresh fruit and veg is good for you. Juicing just happens to be an alternative way to get it into your system.
What do you mean conflict of interest with regards to jucing. They all seem to agree it's very good for you. Anyone who claims juicing has no benefits is clearly right off their head. As I mentioned, getting fresh fruit and veg into your system is never a bad thing. This does have scientific research to back it up.
What about them all??? You have just listed a lot of people and what they've done. What point are you trying to make.
She looks a little chunky to me. Maybe you like fat birds who knows haha! However she is just that, an actress!
I see that we're never going to agree - you have clearly bought in to this lifestyle and 'evidence' so there's little I can say which will change your mind! All I can do is offer a different perspective - you stick with Dr Mercola, if that's what you feel is best!
Good luck with your alternative eating goals of 2013.
Good luck with your alternative eating goals of 2013.
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I see that we're never going to agree - you have clearly bought in to this lifestyle and 'evidence' so there's little I can say which will change your mind! All I can do is offer a different perspective - you stick with Dr Mercola, if that's what you feel is best!
Good luck with your alternative eating goals of 2013.
They're not alternative. If you want to call eating chemicals and E numbers "Normal" then go ahead. I have and always will eat fresh fruit and vegetables, lean meats, nuts, seeds and other natural foods. You call eating that alternative? Really?????
I answered all your points properly with very good answers and you can't back up anything you've said. All you do is spout rubbish about Dr this and Dr that.
I'm trying to say eating fresh fruit and veg and avoiding man made food is a good thing and more people should jump on the band wagon. I'm not some hippy freak show that's asking everyone to drink their own urine!!!
You're insinuating I'm all for alternative this and alternative that. Like I've said, fresh fruit and vegetables with some chicken and turkey is not ALTERNATIVE!
"Clearly bought into the lifestyle"
Once again... The lifestyle of eating proper food and not mass produced garbage. I've been bought into it for a long long time as have many people. You enjoy your diet coke and big mac
After all there's been no evidence saying it's bad for you?
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Anyone else think eating fresh fruit and veg, lean meats and natural produce is eating alternatively and being a wack job? Or is it just "Skeptic?" You're username is very fitting to your attitude towards things.