alternative to powerline ?

bastic · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:15

hi all.

been using 1000Mbs powerlines for a while now.
have 150/150mbs connection at the moment.

went to upgrade to 1gbs but my connection is slow - circa 200 up and down...
plugged PC directly to router and got almost full available speed... so powerlines are not doing what they should...
strangely enough software for them shows almost 1gbs connection between themselves...

rather than buying new powerlines - with a possibility of them not working to full potential, im looking for alternatives...

any ideas ?

and no, can't run flat around the room where PC is..would need 20m of cable if not more and just dont want it..

Thanks
Bastic

ChrisD. · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:18

Power lines are half duplex, so you never get anywhere near the advertised speed. Then there’s degradation of signal depending on your wiring to consider. Cable it up using proper network cable IMO.

Avalon · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:47

As above run 5e or better and do the job properly, it’ll give you symmetrical gigabit now and assuming your cable termination/quality isn’t awful (avoid CCA), 10Gb in the future.

WJA96 · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:49

These are the best powerlines on the market. You should be able to get 500Mbps through them if the mains cabling is right.

https://mikrotik.com/product/pl7510gi

But even if you end up buying a 25m long flat CAT 6 cable rather than tacking a cable to the skirting boards, you would get the full speed of any connection rather than have it crippled by some pretty shonky technology that just about works properly.

WJA96 · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:54

Are the devices in the same room?

bastic · 8 Dec 2020 at 22:00

WJA96 said:
Are the devices in the same room?

yes.

want to avoid running cable at skirting boards..

might see if i can go back to 150/150....its pretty much enough for what i need...wanted SPEED

bastic · 8 Dec 2020 at 22:01

WJA96 said:
These are the best powerlines on the market. You should be able to get 500Mbps through them if the mains cabling is right.

https://mikrotik.com/product/pl7510gi

But even if you end up buying a 25m long flat CAT 6 cable rather than tacking a cable to the skirting boards, you would get the full speed of any connection rather than have it crippled by some pretty shonky technology that just about works properly.

wil have a read on them

WJA96 · 9 Dec 2020 at 05:38

Forget that. If they’re in the same room, use MikroTik Wireless Wire. Straight 1Gbps connection over 60GHz radio. Sorted.

Semple · 9 Dec 2020 at 07:18

I wonder whether powerline tech will ever catch up and be able to provide consistent symmetrical speeds. I.e. eventually when 10Gbps becomes the norm in domestic environments, will powerline be capable of transmitting at those speeds or is it just going to be one of those things that powerline users are going to have to just accept a significant downgrade in speed.

WJA96 · 9 Dec 2020 at 08:05

Semple said:
I wonder whether powerline tech will ever catch up and be able to provide consistent symmetrical speeds. I.e. eventually when 10Gbps becomes the norm in domestic environments, will powerline be capable of transmitting at those speeds or is it just going to be one of those things that powerline users are going to have to just accept a significant downgrade in speed.

Sadly, it’s all about protocols. What they’re doing with powerlines is near-miraculous as it is. If you consider that CAT5e needs 4 pairs for full duplex 1Gbps to get half that on two cores is nothing short of incredible.

What will undoubtedly happen is more and more homes will be built with data networking and the issues will reduce considerably.

Avalon · 9 Dec 2020 at 08:15

Semple said:
I wonder whether powerline tech will ever catch up and be able to provide consistent symmetrical speeds. I.e. eventually when 10Gbps becomes the norm in domestic environments, will powerline be capable of transmitting at those speeds or is it just going to be one of those things that powerline users are going to have to just accept a significant downgrade in speed.

No. It’s an utter cluster.... at a standards level, they can’t agree on anything, including how to co-exist. Powerline could be useful for IoT for example if built in, but until the standards are interchangeable and actually support an industry standard, it’s just something to poke fun at and use for short term or low bandwidth applications.

bastic · 9 Dec 2020 at 10:53

WJA96 said:
Forget that. If they’re in the same room, use MikroTik Wireless Wire. Straight 1Gbps connection over 60GHz radio. Sorted.

60GHz

will that make me grow more or less hair haha

will have a look

bastic · 9 Dec 2020 at 10:54

WJA96 said:
Sadly, it’s all about protocols. What they’re doing with powerlines is near-miraculous as it is. If you consider that CAT5e needs 4 pairs for full duplex 1Gbps to get half that on two cores is nothing short of incredible.

What will undoubtedly happen is more and more homes will be built with data networking and the issues will reduce considerably.

all rooms in my flat are wired but where data is in the living room, is on the furthest point of where my PC lives...

WJA96 · 9 Dec 2020 at 11:53

bastic said:
all rooms in my flat are wired but where data is in the living room, is on the furthest point of where my PC lives...

So why not just run a cable? I saw a job in a rented property where someone literally took a flat CAT6 cable and taped it to the skirting board then painted over the tape with gloss paint to hide it. If you looked close up you could see it but from a distance it was invisible. When the cable came out they literally ripped just the tape off and made good the gloss paint on the skirting board.

bastic · 9 Dec 2020 at 14:08

WJA96 said:
So why not just run a cable? I saw a job in a rented property where someone literally took a flat CAT6 cable and taped it to the skirting board then painted over the tape with gloss paint to hide it. If you looked close up you could see it but from a distance it was invisible. When the cable came out they literally ripped just the tape off and made good the gloss paint on the skirting board.

brand new skirting boards and loads of furry balls running around - aka cats, kittens.. whatever you call them ..some love biting cables

ChrisD. · 9 Dec 2020 at 14:11

bastic said:
brand new skirting boards and loads of furry balls running around - aka cats, kittens.. whatever you call them ..some love biting cables

So you don't use power cables, monitor cables etc? Stop making excuses, just get it run tidy enough and you'll be happier and won't notice it's there if done properly. You could even run ducts above the skirting boards.

BigT · 9 Dec 2020 at 14:13

bastic said:
brand new skirting boards and loads of furry balls running around - aka cats, kittens.. whatever you call them ..some love biting cables

So stick some trunking on with command strips and run the cable in that. A 20m ethernet cable and trunking will cost you less than any other solution and give you symmetrical gigabit. When you move the trunking will come off with no damage.

Caged · 9 Dec 2020 at 15:02

If it's in the same room then just staple a cable to the top of the skirting and forget about it, otherwise you're spending £100+ for an inferior solution. If your room is carpeted then you can run the cable in the gap between the gripper and the skirting.