Am i missing something?

i would get a better psu, and if you are thinking of maybe getting into serious gaming where you might want to SLI/Xfire then get a motherboard that would support that. the thing with the motherboard is it connects everything together, and is probably the worst thing to upgrade. so think wisely on what you might want to do in the future and then pick a board that supports that. again, the ram was cheap, so maybe look at slightly better. plus the gfx card, it will do gaming fine, wont be the best, but better than the laptop by far. but again, this canbe upgraded in the future when more funds become available.
 
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The total is £725.61 with shipping by the way, I couldn't fit it all on the one screen. :)

There's plenty scope for taking the price lower as I didn't go all out on the cheapness front when picking the parts, but even with no change you can get a decent monitor+keyboard+mouse combo and easily come in under the £949 you've seen quoted for that pre-built q9550 system. If you did a spec me a system for £950 thread I'm sure someone would be able to squeeze a beast of a machine into that kind of budget. :)
 
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The total is £725.61 with shipping by the way, I couldn't fit it all on the one screen. :)

There's plenty scope for taking the price lower as I didn't go all out on the cheapness front when picking the parts, but even with no change you can get a decent monitor+keyboard+mouse combo and easily come in under the £949 you've seen quoted for that pre-built q9550 system. If you did a spec me a system for £950 thread I'm sure someone would be able to squeeze a beast of a machine into that kind of budget. :)
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he never actually said he wanted to spend £949, just was curious why self built ones are coming out at the price of pre built, which we have discovered he is spec'ing new technology/sockets against an older type.
i would still go the Q9550 route personally as it will leave you more over to maybe get a better graphics card, bigger or higher res monitor.......or just save it for some new games/gamepad/steering wheel/something not related to pcs.
 
paradisiac said:
he never actually said he wanted to spend £949, just was curious why self built ones are coming out at the price of pre built, which we have discovered he is spec'ing new technology/sockets against an older type.
i would still go the Q9550 route personally as it will leave you more over to maybe get a better graphics card, bigger or higher res monitor.......or just save it for some new games/gamepad/steering wheel/something not related to pcs.
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Ah I see, that kind of flew over my head it seems!

For just cpu+motherboard+ram the Q9550 + p43 motherboard + 4gb ddr2 is only £15 or so cheaper than an i5 750 + p55 motherboard + 4gb ddr3 so is it really worth sticking with the older setup? I see it'll be more like £30 if you went for the p31 motherboard instead.
 
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thanks guys again for your commitment to helping me.

I'v just been speaking to the missus and have agreed to split the buying over 2 months resulting in more money to spend :)

So for this month i have £450. Id like to spend that entirely on the processor and graphics card.
 
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sorry to keep referring to buying a pre-built system. i dont want a pre-built if possible. But again, i refer back to the Q9550 iv seen for £949.00 with a 22inch monitor,keyboard and mouse.

I know its not top end parts but does it seriously reduce the power it should be spitting out with lower branded parts?

And before you say it :P i know the Q9550 is old and a dead socket :D lol But still, if you look at that processor from an average joe's perspective its a hugely powerful processor capable of running all current and future games.

(im not sayin i want the q9550 by the way. just saying, i still cant believe im "squeezing" a decent spec'd computer out of 800 pounds when i could get similar spec with cheaper branded parts and a monitor for £149 extra)

sorry for ranting, i know you guys have patiently replied to my questions and have helped me a large amount. I just think maybe we have added expensive parts to the basket? or parts more expensive than i need maybe?
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the pc you are building yourself is not similar specced but much better and you can easily get a 22" monitor for £149 extra so whats your problem?
 
hey guys what does this build look like please?

Core 2 Quad Q9550

Asus P5Q Pro Turbo P45 LGA775 CrossFire FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN, USB 2.0 & 7.1 Audio

Corsair Value 4GB PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel

Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 1GB 16X PCI Express

500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB

Sony Optiarc 22x DVD R/ RW + CD-R/ RW Dual Layer

CyberPower 500W
 
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hey guys what does this build look like please?

Core 2 Quad Q9550

Asus P5Q Pro Turbo P45 LGA775 CrossFire FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN, USB 2.0 & 7.1 Audio

Corsair Value 4GB PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel

Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 1GB 16X PCI Express

500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB

Sony Optiarc 22x DVD R/ RW + CD-R/ RW Dual Layer

CyberPower 500W
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no no no no no!!!!! oh god please stop this. does that PSU say ticking time bomb? where on earth did you pull that spec from? I thought you wanted a self build and that looks like a pre built or something. You've had plenty of good options handed to you what more do you want?

ohhh wait an obsolete q9550.

*cries*

No offence but are you even listening to any of us? leave the q9550 alone! It's out of date and over priced.

For the 800 or so you are looking to spend you can do far better than that as has already been demonstrated.
 
I agree i keep continueing with options but im just exploring every avenue and checking with you guys with each option.

Dont forget, i know nothing about this sort of thing and am relying on you to help me which i sincerely appreciate. But just because i dont know anything doesnt mean i should go with the first build someone tells me before checking everything else.

You wouldnt buy a car simply because you heard once that it had a certian feature, you would investigate other features and test drive, thats all im doing.

(but that doesnt mean im ignoring previous builds from people, im looking at them and working from them)

And i have been very apologetic and grateful with my posts and replys But i think your post is a little on the agressive side and if you do not want to help then please dont post. Your getting a little too worked up over an internet forum post.

And i know and have freely and embarrasingly admitted to everyone i know nothing about building a computer but there is one thing i do know which i have learnt from 2 seperate friends both studying some form of IT at college and university and i will quote what they both said to me...

"When computer guys and overclockers say something is ancient, it usually means its 10 days old"

I know the Q9550 is a good chip, i may not even get one of those. Im currently looking at both the q9550 and the i5 750.

(oh and sorry, the cyper power cpu isnt correct the build is acctually this)

Core 2 Quad Q9550

Asus P5Q Pro Turbo P45 LGA775 CrossFire FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN, USB 2.0 & 7.1 Audio

Corsair XMS2 w/Heat Spreader 4GB DDR2/800 Dual Channel

Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 1GB 16X PCI Express

500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB

Sony Optiarc 22x DVD R/ RW + CD-R/ RW Dual Layer

500W CoolerMaster RealPower
 
scott1102 said:
"When computer guys and overclockers say something is ancient, it usually means its 10 days old"

I know the Q9550 is a good chip
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Seriously wtf :confused:

Q9550 is old tech and overpriced, PLEASE listen to the advice that's been given here. Go for either core i5, or if money is an issue go for an AMD PII quad.
 
Scott, you obviously aren't listening to anything you're being told regarding the 9550.

All these guys are posting decent specced systems for you that's using newer tech that the old Core2 chips, yet you don't seem to be taking anything onboard at all, and you keep referring back to this pre-built rig with a 9550.

You should just go ahead and dismiss all the good advice people have given you in this thread and the other one you made yesterday and go buy the pre-built rig instead...
 
oh no the first part of my post was me being melodramatic i couldn't really care what you buy as it's your money after all. I'm just trying to give you advice on what will give you the best performance for your money (forums are here to help after all).

You got to appreciate the fact that we're all either suggesting AM3 or i5 and yet everytime you suggest q9550. It really does appear like you're ignoring us and i'm not the only one getting this impression i'm sure. If you're not then i'm sorry but that's very much how it appears and nobody likes taking the time to give advice just to be ignored.

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Q9550 is old tech and overpriced, PLEASE listen to the advice that's been given here. Go for either core i5, or if money is an issue go for an AMD PII quad.
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This is the general message on the q9550, only people that should ever consider getting one of these now are those with existing s775 gear for it to work with or those that can get it on the cheap.
 
i never went down the AMD route when doing you quotes because i have never really got on with them so have stuck to intel. but i do know that amd is now just as good as intel for things like gaming and web browsing, and probably a lot more.

i agree with everyone that the Q9550 is a socket 775 so is a dated technology, even though the cpu itself isnt. but i can also agree with your mates that people that do like and or work in computers, including me, will always be looking to the future and trying to get the latest stuff, so can easily write off older stuff as ancient.
IF you are a steady gamer and nothing too intense then there is no need to shy away from the 775 setups, but the Q9550 will probably be about as far as you will be able to take it. whereas go for a newer socket and in 12-18months if you want it to go faster, the better/newer cpus will be down to a price you can afford. so if you want a more future proof system then ditch the 775 and invest a little more in newer stuff. saying that the Q9550 will probably be good enough for another 2-3years i would have thought, but then i dont really research whats happening in the future so dont quote me on that.
the other thing to look out for with the 775 stuff is, because there are a lot of people that consider it dated, have upgraded to i3/i5/i7 or AMD systems, therefore there are a lot of quality 775 components going reasonable cheap second hand.
no one on here will suggest anything to rip you off, so whatever is suggested to you, will genuinley be suggest as thats what the poster believes is a good build/spec, so please consider everything before rushing out and committing yourself.
and my final thought on whats been written so far is, INVEST IN A DECENT MOTHERBOARD AND PSU. if you have £450 to spend this month, then forgett about the cpu and gfx, with the releases of newer cards in the very near future and the possability of a lot more stock being available, the prices will almost deffinatly drop next month or so. meaning a lot more card for your money. use that £450 to buy the case you like, a decent psu and a motherboard that will suit your future needs. and then you will be ready to budget what cpu, ram and gfx you can get to make the most out of your money.
like i said, everyone is offering their opinions and advice, its your money so essentially your decision at the end of it, but no one on here is out to make you waste money or con you into get a rubbish pc.
 
I apologise if i am coming across that i am not listening. I am ofcoarse i am.

Before posting on this forum i didnt even know what a compatible mobo was!

What im doing is getting builds from people then trying to replicate them myself, not necesserly to get the price down, iv said all along i have a budget of £800, even more now i can split it into 2 months.

So that isnt the reason i keep choosing the q9550, if you look at the price the i5 is cheaper overall than the q9550. The only reason i keep choosing it is because of what i said before, which paradisiac has confirmed! Guys who are very deep into the computer set up world and overclocking DO! consider things old and laughable just because its not the current processor.

If were being serious about things the q9550 is the processor before the current set of processors, hardly old.

I'm not even saying im going to get the q9550, i am leaning more to the i5 because as you people have said its newer technolodgy.

But just to put things into perspective, I am using a Samsung R20 laptop with an Ati Radeon Xpress 1200 series graphcis card and a Core 2 Duo T550 1.83GHz and i can play guild wars, black and white 2, championship manager 2010.

So i know i dont need a hugely spec'd chip to play games.

I will just have to continue to replicate peoples builds with my own twist on them.
 
the only thing i will say is the Q9550 is Quad code whereas the i5s are primeraly only Dual core. not that i would get too bogged down by how many cores you have, its still something to consider.
many people that use their rigs for primeraly gaming are hanging on to their Q6600 (think thats right) as the jump up is not worth the expense. now you are starting from scratch so will cost similar either way, but there is still a lot to be said about some of the Q range.
 
The parts selected for your build have been selected for budget, there still quality but not mega ott.

listed is the cheapest ram £80
Cheapest harddrives £40
cheap case range from £20 - £30

etc etc cant really get it a whole lot cheaper.

ussaly a shop built pc by experience includes

value ram
Cheap maxtor harddrive that makes a lot of clicking and fuss and takes 10 mins to load all your desktop
a value psu
prob the lowest spec cpu available
and generally ok for your average joe who knows nothing about pc's but it wont be as good by far. and will need upgrading quicker
 
I dont really want budget parts or to make it cheaper. To tell the truth, i do have an 800 budget but was hoping to only spend around 600-650 for the computer itself.

As i said before im not an extreme computer person, but i would like to have a computer which allows me to walk into a shop and buy nearly any game i want without having to worry about "will my computer run it!"

I dont mean this as an insult honestly i dont, i just think im having difficultys changing peoples mindsets on here from looking at this from an overclockers perspective, to looking at it from an average joes perspective.

If i pick an i5 750 and a gts 250 but then pick a not so good psu suddenly its stupid lol i dont get it.

I'v heard that the game Crysis is a hugely demanding game on high settings, but this is the official recommended settings, not minimum.

OS - Windows XP / Vista
Processor - Intel Core 2 DUO @ 2.2GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Memory - 2.0 GB RAM
GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar

So a Q9550 would obliterate that, so would an i5 750 with a cheaper psu.
 
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