With that I do agree, if their only disability is to be overweight (through no medical condition) then they cant claim to be disabled.
Am I wrong to think this is wrong ??
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With that I do agree, if their only disability is to be overweight (through no medical condition) then they cant claim to be disabled.
and you know for a fact she needs all these things? your just as ignorant as the rest of us
I certainly wasn't defending them or their sentence, just to be clearThey deserve all they get. Fraud is fraud. The point I was making (and I believe knip and vixen too) was that the "ZOMG they look fat, lock them up!" comments were unhelpful at best and ignorant at worst.
Weight gain, and in some cases obesity, often follows on FROM disability, and doesn't automatically mean it is the CAUSE of it. It was that attitude I took umbrage with, not the case itself
whats this about weight? I don't care how fat they are, or if they got fat because she was in a wheel chair...That's irrelevant.
The fact is, she is not mentally unstable (unless she is...then she should goto a Physciatric place or however you spell it) But being fat, has no effect on your way of thinking. Unless oif course the fat in your head pushes your brain against the skull and causes some sort of issues, then yes.
No I dont, I do however live with a child who has a severe disability so I think I am in a better position than some at knowing what caring for a disabled person involves thankyou.
people in glass houses and all that
Scunthorpe is a maximum security prison reserved for speed camera dodgers and murderers. They only commited a £32K fraud, a stretch in Cleethorpes is fair.
is there not a policy of only jailing those who are a harm to the public? In other words if there are other ways to bringeth down the hammer of Justice without imprisoning offenders then Judges have been advised to take it.
They've been tagged
They've been vilified and castigated by the papers
They will probably be pariahs within their own community and be fearful of going out.
And the have the Responsibility and burden of paying back the £32,000
If you stick em in prison they're Responsibility for themselves is taken away.
Keep em within the community and they have to face other people and live with the responsibility with what they have done.
And remember folks..the mitigating factors.... the manner in which the defrauded the money...If you found an undetectable way of getting money that did not seem to harm anyone else would you not grab at the chance?
They've been tagged
They've been vilified and castigated by the papers
They will probably be pariahs within their own community and be fearful of going out.
And the have the Responsibility and burden of paying back the £32,000
If you stick em in prison they're Responsibility for themselves is taken away.
Keep em within the community and they have to face other people and live with the responsibility with what they have done.
And remember folks..the mitigating factors.... the manner in which the defrauded the money...If you found an undetectable way of getting money that did not seem to harm anyone else would you not grab at the chance?
and I have a crippled cousin who was more or less a vegetable after an accident, so what? It bares no relevance to the people in question
they were obviously abled enough to go out and commit a crime, surely a sign that they dont need the kind of attention you think they need
The judge stopped this idea with his comment though. I'd agree with keeping everyone out of prison for stuff like this, but that's not the issue in this particular case.
That is the issue in question. The reason for not sending them to prison is arbitary and discriminatory, given that the alternative sentance is not equivilent to the original one.
Hrmm ok well he's mishandled the case... perhaps even enough grounds for appeal by the CPS.
They are being discriminated on grounds of their disability. They are not being treated as an equal citizen with rights and importantly responsibilities. (yeah i know about equality of opportunity but is there such a thing as equality of responsibility?)
Does the DDA apply? The Judge has ballsed this one up. I can see other reasons for them not being sent to prison but not for the reason he has said.
They are being discriminated on grounds of their disability. They are not being treated as an equal citizen with rights and importantly responsibilities. (yeah i know about equality of opportunity but is there such a thing as equality of responsibility?)
Does the DDA apply? The Judge has ballsed this one up. I can see other reasons for them not being sent to prison but not for the reason he has said.
I think it's a joke that it wasn't possible to send them to prison, I understand the reasoning behind it but I think it should be part of their penalty that they make it possible for them to be imprisoned (i.e. the costs incurred or a fraction of them are added onto the fine)
That being said, while like all criminals who get caught they were stupid and went way too far, if you got cashback somewhere and it didnt get debited from your account, would you not be tempted to get cashback next time you were there in the hope it would happen again? obviously they took it way too far, but legally doing it once knowingly is the same as they did (obviously with differing sentences because of the amount taken)
That being said, while like all criminals who get caught they were stupid and went way too far, if you got cashback somewhere and it didnt get debited from your account, would you not be tempted to get cashback next time you were there in the hope it would happen again? obviously they took it way too far, but legally doing it once knowingly is the same as they did (obviously with differing sentences because of the amount taken)
What a charming turn of phrase. "Crippled" and "Vegetable"
How about adding spaz for good measure as well.
The level of ignorance regarding disabilities is quite frankly astounding in this thread, nevermind the case in question.
Simply, none of us are in full possession of all of the facts, therefore, none one can really comment.
All of the "lock em up" brigade should just calm down. No one was hurt in this crime, so I fail to see why locking them up is the only solution. If you ask me, we may be in a better state if there were enough room for all of the violent offenders and leave non violent criimes to be punished in other ways that do not cost the country hundreds of pounds a day.
Prepares to be flamed...
since when has "crippled" became an unsavoury term?
ok vegetable might not be a nice term but i have used it now so i cant un say it
Yes damn those doctors mocking people by saying their in a vegetative state, they're just snoozing damn it!
Would you like to be referred to as a Cripple?
In a world where there are restrictions on race and sex in terms of what you can and cannot say, I think that being able to use derogatory terms for disabled people is disgusting.
Cripple is not a nice way to descibe someone, FULL STOP.
In a world where there are restrictions on race and sex in terms of what you can and cannot say, I think that being able to use derogatory terms for disabled people is disgusting.
Cripple is not a nice way to descibe someone, FULL STOP.
go and educate yourself before you start pontificating
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and I didnt call her a cripple, I said she was crippled, which she is
I have no idea why you think it is not a nice term
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Yeah **** sending people to prison they don't learn anything.