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What will you be using the pc for?
I used to have the asus M2N-E and the geil 667Mhz DDR2 kit. Was pretty happy with it.
If youre not using it for ganing you can save a bit and get one of the M2N series boards with buikt in GF6150 GFX and save a bit of cash
I used to have the asus M2N-E and the geil 667Mhz DDR2 kit. Was pretty happy with it.
If youre not using it for ganing you can save a bit and get one of the M2N series boards with buikt in GF6150 GFX and save a bit of cash
Some gaming, but nothing to taxing at the mo, most taxing game i've got at the mo is NFS most wanted, and a copule of other racing games. i've been lookong at the Nforce 5boards. i've currently got 2GB of RAM so am looking for the same ammount again.
Simple reason I'm not asking for conroe is that I don't like Intel, i had a P3 and the performance was totally rubbish, so that has turned me away from Intel. Currently i've got an Athlon 64 3000+ & it's brill, it does what I want. If AMD still had the best performance what would you tell me to get AMD or Intel. Just because Intel have the faster this and that at the mo, doesn't mean that AMD isn't good. I've had 2 AMD systems out of the 4 computers that i've had. (1 was an IBM computer, so i'm guessing it had an IBM processor, and the P3) and the performance has been good for what I want. So i'm sticking with what I know.
milkinc13 said:
Mate my last system was a AMD opty 170 dual core running at FX 62 speeds.
I loved it.
However I upgraded to conroe and the conroes thrashes it in every dept.Not by a bit but by a huge ammount.
How does 1025 FPS in DVD shrink analysis grab you?
My opty managed around 500
Conroe is that good and that fast.
You should get what the fastest is at the time and for the cost.
Conroe 6300 cannot be beaten for 125 quid.
You should not out do yourself based on company loyalty.I don't care who makes what I want the fastest for my money and you should to.
If you get AM2 dont moan as we have told you so.
Totally agree.easyrider said:
If you buy a CPU (or anything in fact) purely based on some misguided loyalty for a faceless corporation that couldn't give a crap about you then you're an idiot.
If you're buying a new motherboard and memory - Conroe is a no-brainer.
I hear what you are all saying, but I'm not one for the fastest processor, I buy what i see I need with some overheads for a bit of future proofing. Also i'm spending my money on what I want. Give it a few months to a year and AMD will have the edge over Intel, then u'll all be saying go for an AMD over Intel. I don't use the computer for ripping video and encoding it as I don't need to, the only encoding I do is for MP3's to WMA's to allow extra space on my MP3 player. Yes I like speed on my games, but most of that is from the graphics card as that needs to encode all of the images.
milkinc13 said:
I'm sorry you have lost me and you sound like an AMD fanboy.
You dont want the fastest for your money?
AM2 is not future proofing.
Conroe flatens AM2 in gaming.
Do you now how CPU limited modern games are?
Your reasons are all wrong and you will be wasting your money.
You have asked for advice and yet you refuse based on flawed arguements and misinfromed choices.
Good Luck!
Sounds like you are poking around in a bees nest saying you want AM2 over Conroe. I agree with people in here really that you should go for a 6300+DS3. For me if you want future proofing then I would get a crossfire or SLi board so that you could pick up a cheap 2nd card in a years time and shove that in. This will massively boost your gaming experience compared to whatever processor upgrade you consider. 3dMark06 etc highly dependent on gfx card not cpu(does have only a SMALL influence). If you stick with AM2 I would simply buy a 3800x2 and overclock it. Then u can maybe buy something from the new 65nm AM2s when they come out next year and sell the 3800x2. The ASUS board I have is ok but make sure you buy some Corsair Memory for it is very picky on RAM unexpectedly so. (Mine is M2N32SLi) My mobo I think has a parallel port connector but I think you need to buy the connector back plate as an extra (check the manual for it (u can download it from ASUS). I am sure you can simply get a USB-Parallel port adapter anyway?????
The above depends on what gfx card you have now really which IMO would dictate which dual card mobo you should buy. I personally would go for SLI as it seems more consolidated than Crossfire. Having said that the ATI cards look good too but seem to have a more fiddly setup ie Master - Slave cards etc.
Anyhow you should really save your money and go for a dual gfx card mobo with a conroe 6300. If you are really into AMD buy a AMD inside "sticker" off ebay and slap that on the front of your case and you can delude yourself into believing you have an "ultrafast" AMD!!!!! jk lol
Anyhow lots of mobos now do not have the parallel port connector on the rear io panel but as an optional connector on the mobo itself with the option of buying the parallel port backplate as an accessory. Find the mobo you like best then download the manual to see if it has a ParPort connector on the main board. Goodluck
Jules
The above depends on what gfx card you have now really which IMO would dictate which dual card mobo you should buy. I personally would go for SLI as it seems more consolidated than Crossfire. Having said that the ATI cards look good too but seem to have a more fiddly setup ie Master - Slave cards etc.
Anyhow you should really save your money and go for a dual gfx card mobo with a conroe 6300. If you are really into AMD buy a AMD inside "sticker" off ebay and slap that on the front of your case and you can delude yourself into believing you have an "ultrafast" AMD!!!!! jk lol
Anyhow lots of mobos now do not have the parallel port connector on the rear io panel but as an optional connector on the mobo itself with the option of buying the parallel port backplate as an accessory. Find the mobo you like best then download the manual to see if it has a ParPort connector on the main board. Goodluck
Jules
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Can't people just offer relevant advice to someone who is asking for it?
Why do people see the need to enter the full blown "GET THE INTEL ITS THE BESTEST" debate over and over again.
If the guy is not overclocking then the 6300 offers LITTLE over the 3800+ especially considdering the guy is not going to be doing much encoding. Did any of you ask if he was going to be overclocking? Errr.... no!
He wants a bit of future proofing, the AM2 motherboard should last him well in to 2008 with new processor upgrades. Can't say that Intel has confirmed this so i don't know what it will be like with a DS3.
If you want overall low power consumption for a computer that is on most of the day, the 3800+ will consume less than the 6300. At full load the 6300 sucks less power but pretty much any other time and especially at idle the 3800+ uses much less power. Lets face it, a computer on 24/7 is probably going to be at idle far more often than full load!
There are plenty of Intel users here who ONLY buy Intel. Regardless that AMD has been king for the last few years. If this guy wants to buy an AMD because it is an AMD then that is his choice. It is his money. Regardless that as i mentioned above, there may be other reasons for him to go AMD currently.
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As for answering the original question. Get a 3800+ as it is stupidly good value for money, regardless of the 6300. At stock its a close race in performance/£.
Motherboard wise.... well i have solely looked at Crossfire motherboards because i want as low power consumption as possible with as high performance. I am going for the MSI K9A Platinum. The other option was an Asus something or other but after plenty of good reviews regarding the MSI then i plumped for that one.
For nForce 5 mobo's.... well Asus has some very good ones out that i have seen reviews (The Crosshair and some other). There are loads to be honest. My main advice, look for some reviews and decide on a few boards that you like the look of. Then ask back here with the specifics.
Are you having a laugh? Most modern games are totally GPU limited at any decent resolution.
There is nothing wrong with his reasons, it is his money. Why will he be wasting it? As i have listed above, there are quite a few reasons why a 3800+ is a perfectly good choice, if not a better one.
He hasn't asked for any advice about getting a Conroe, which is the advice you have offered. If you offered adivce relating to his actual question then he probably would be more willing to accept it.
It's the same people in every AM2 thread that can't just answer the posters question. It always has to turn in to an Intel love fest. Can't you just leave the poor guy alone or offer him some info related to what he wants?
Why do people see the need to enter the full blown "GET THE INTEL ITS THE BESTEST" debate over and over again.
If the guy is not overclocking then the 6300 offers LITTLE over the 3800+ especially considdering the guy is not going to be doing much encoding. Did any of you ask if he was going to be overclocking? Errr.... no!
He wants a bit of future proofing, the AM2 motherboard should last him well in to 2008 with new processor upgrades. Can't say that Intel has confirmed this so i don't know what it will be like with a DS3.
If you want overall low power consumption for a computer that is on most of the day, the 3800+ will consume less than the 6300. At full load the 6300 sucks less power but pretty much any other time and especially at idle the 3800+ uses much less power. Lets face it, a computer on 24/7 is probably going to be at idle far more often than full load!
There are plenty of Intel users here who ONLY buy Intel. Regardless that AMD has been king for the last few years. If this guy wants to buy an AMD because it is an AMD then that is his choice. It is his money. Regardless that as i mentioned above, there may be other reasons for him to go AMD currently.
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As for answering the original question. Get a 3800+ as it is stupidly good value for money, regardless of the 6300. At stock its a close race in performance/£.
Motherboard wise.... well i have solely looked at Crossfire motherboards because i want as low power consumption as possible with as high performance. I am going for the MSI K9A Platinum. The other option was an Asus something or other but after plenty of good reviews regarding the MSI then i plumped for that one.
For nForce 5 mobo's.... well Asus has some very good ones out that i have seen reviews (The Crosshair and some other). There are loads to be honest. My main advice, look for some reviews and decide on a few boards that you like the look of. Then ask back here with the specifics.
But you haven't offered any advice relevant to his question, the thread has just been dumped on like pretty much every AM2 thread that pops up.Durzel said:
Are you having a laugh? Most modern games are totally GPU limited at any decent resolution.
There is nothing wrong with his reasons, it is his money. Why will he be wasting it? As i have listed above, there are quite a few reasons why a 3800+ is a perfectly good choice, if not a better one.
He hasn't asked for any advice about getting a Conroe, which is the advice you have offered. If you offered adivce relating to his actual question then he probably would be more willing to accept it.
It's the same people in every AM2 thread that can't just answer the posters question. It always has to turn in to an Intel love fest. Can't you just leave the poor guy alone or offer him some info related to what he wants?
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We're trying to do him a favour. It's no skin off my nose what he buys - he can blow £700+ on an FX-62 if he wants to, his perogative. Doesn't stop me thinking he's wasting his money, and if he's asking for opinions on a public forum about "what to buy" then he should expect contrasting opinions.Kamakazie! said:
How can you say that a motherboard will last him well into 2008? I would dispute that, even from an Intel perspective. We will have DDR3 DIMMs by then for a start, as well as any number of other feasible technology upgrades. Who's to say that PCI-e won't be replaced, or upgraded by then?
The bottom line is that if he is after the best performance RIGHT NOW, and is upgrading his motherboard and memory at the same time - then pound for pound Conroe is still the better option, whether he's overclocking or not. That's not "Intel fanboyism" or whatever you'd like to believe, it's fact. I couldn't give a crap who made Conroe - AMD, Intel, Microsoft or whoever - it's the best bang for buck.
Kamakazie! said:
Thank you Kamakazie!, you are the only person that has read what I want and not jumped on the "Get Conroe" boat. Thank you.
I've been looking at the
"MSI K9N Platinum nForce 570 (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard (MB-070-MS) £76.36". Can anyone give an idea of some good RAM, currently I have "Corsair 2GB DDR XMS3200C2PT" and am looking for something similar but obviously in DDR2, with 2Gig.
The system I'm planning on getting cnsists of:
Thermaltake VC3000SWA Armour Jr SuperMidi Tower - Silver (CA-038-TT) £76.32
Western Digital Raptor X 150GB WD1500AHFD 10,000RPM SATA 16MB Cache - OEM (HD-073-WD) £172.71
Western Digital WDSC50RCW Secure Connect Serial ATA Cable (CB-000-WD) £7.05
Sony AW-G170AB2 18x DVD±RW x12 Ram Dual Layer DVD-Writer - (Black) OEM (CD-054-SO) £22.27
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.20GHz (Socket AM2) - Retail (CP-168-AM) £135.11
I just need to sort out the graphics and PSU, but appart from that i've got everything I need
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He was asking what AM2 mobo/processor to buy. Not wether to buy a Conroe or AM2. If he wanted that there are already plenty of threads that cover basically all of the bases.Durzel said:
I can say it because AMD have confirmed that their next generation of processor based around socket AM3 will be backwards compatible with socket AM2 and DDR2 (aswell as AM3 and DDR3).Durzel said:
Durzel said:
From an Anandtech review:
Though i think the cheaper pricing of the 3800+ makes it a very tempting prospect.Anandtech said:
As i said, if this guy isn't overclocking, the budget AM2s are a good buy. If you are, as per the others have said. Take a close look at C2D. Either way you PC will fly. These are all really very fast processors.
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- Motherobard wise... the Asus M2N32's seem to be very well regarded. I am not sure about the MSI. What do the reviews say?
The nForce 570 chipset is good and if you are up for one of those over the 590 i would take a look at the DFI 570 mobo.
- Ram wise it depends, i would look at some PC6400 from G.Skill or Geil with fast timings. I got the Geil that was on special offer last week or this week.
- The raptors are fast, but why do you need the SATA cable? any new mobo will come with some included.
I'd also think about getting something like a Seagate barracuda (.10 series not .9), a Hitachi or a Samsung spinpoint instead. They are much quiter, not that much slower (especially the 250gb+ models) and should be more reliable over the long run. The extra space could also come in handy at a later date.
- No idea about the case though i'd always go for the LianLi PC7+ or Ecplipse 62 in that sorta price range.
- DVD... didn't realise they were doing 18x ones yet
- You will really want a 500W+ PSU and graphics wise there are loads of good options at very good prices around at the moment.
Hope that helps.
Kamakazie! said:
The relevant advice is to offer the fastest performing components for the cheapest outlay.
And no one here has said "GET THE INTEL ITS THE BESTEST" once.Well I haven't
The 6300 is faster than the x2 3800 even at stock
Buying a x 2 is not future proofing its old tech and old design in the cpu sphere.
Where does his post state he was concerned about power consumption?
There are plenty of AMD users that only use AMD.I use whatever is the fastest for my money.
Few months back I had a top end dual core opteron.I speak from using both platforms.
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No its not the x3800 is slower
Have you seen the perfromance graphs of oblivion with conroe?
His reasons are based on fanboyism.Anyone with any sense buys the best performing parts for their money.
If it was AM2 then I would suggest AM2.
Why is offering advice stating you can spend the same money and have a faster pc an intel love fest?
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