AM4 / Ryzen 5000 series - no reason to upgrade?

[Vexr]

I did some benchmarks at 1080p on my 5700X + 7900 XT (usually I'd be running UWQHD or 4K). I was surprised how the GPU utilisation tended toward 100% even at this low resolution at massive frame rates in staples like SOTTR.

I know there are some special examples where something like a 5800X3D (and presumably the Ryzen 7000 series) will be noticeably smoother compared to a 5700X, like in 2013's ARMA3.

I suspect I'll only be itching to upgrade my AM4/B450 platform due to my particular motherboard only having 1x m.2 slot, PCI-3.0 x16, and lacking any in-built USB-C connectivity, before I encounter issues with the CPU bottlenecking / the constraints of DDR4.

 

[FredFlint]

I was using a 3900X + X370, only upgraded to get faster PCIe and more m.2 slots. Probably should have waited for the second AM5 iteration.

 

[eddiew]

If the performance of your current setup is enough, then there's no reason to upgrade - but that's true of any system at any time.

If you want pcie 4 or 5, or there's any other feature of a new motherboard that suits your requirements, then there's a reason.

I swapped from an 8700k to a 7800X3D a week ago because there were finally enough performance, efficiency, and features on offer to make it worthwhile, and I really like the idea of the 1-2 generations upgrade path without a major rebuild. Might not have bothered if both AMD and Intel platforms were on their last generation for their sockets, so I personally think it's a good time to swap if you have the itch, but ymmv

 

[jigger]

The 5700X is a fast chip and AMD GPU’s are really well optimised for leveraging performance from the CPU.

 

[syks]

Ive recently gone from a 3800x to the 5800x3d and dont plan on upgrading the system for a loooooong time yet, may upgrade the gpu at some point but even that wont be for a good while as im getting well above 60fps on everything i play at 1440p.

The only thing i dont like that much about my setup is the x470 mb, but hey ho, it will do me until i upgrade everything but like i say, that wont be for a very long time

 

[Jamin280672]

I made the change from a Gigabyte X570S Master with 32gb 3600mhz OC'ed to 3800mhz CL16, and a 5800X3D to an ASUS X670E Gene with a Ryzen 9 7900 non X and 32gb G.Skill Z5 Trident Z Neo 6000mhz OC'ed to 6200mhz CL32, and I could tell the difference straight away, much more snappier in everything I do, and honestly, it boots faster, ive not touched curve optimizer, ive got no reason to do so, and quite frankley, I cant be bothered to test for days on end to get it stable.

 

[Tetras]

I made the change from a Gigabyte X570S Master with 32gb 3600mhz OC'ed to 3800mhz CL16, and a 5800X3D to an ASUS X670E Gene with a Ryzen 9 7900 non X and 32gb G.Skill Z5 Trident Z Neo 6000mhz OC'ed to 6200mhz CL32, and I could tell the difference straight away, much more snappier in everything I do, and honestly, it boots faster, ive not touched curve optimizer, ive got no reason to do so, and quite frankley, I cant be bothered to test for days on end to get it stable.

Interesting, did you also change boot SSD?

 

[Joxeon]

I'm in a similar situation with a 5800X and I find it hard to justify an upgrade to anything else at the moment as the 5800X3D is still quite pricey while a full AM5 platform jump is even more so and I can't see the value in it right now.

I think if I was on an older AM4 chip like the 2000/3000 then a 5800X3D would make more sense and likewise if I was on an older intel / AM3 set up then AM5 would make more sense but being on a 5000 series is still good enough right now to warrant waiting for a more substantial improvement.

 

[Jamin280672]

Interesting, did you also change boot SSD?

Kind of, I went from a WD SN850 to an SN850X for boot, so not a massive upgrade, I still have the SN850 attached as a seondary drive, this will give you some idea, I know its just a synthetic benchmark, but just a glimpse.....

Who needs the 170w toaster counterpart..........

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[MartinPrince]

I made the change from a Gigabyte X570S Master with 32gb 3600mhz OC'ed to 3800mhz CL16, and a 5800X3D to an ASUS X670E Gene with a Ryzen 9 7900 non X and 32gb G.Skill Z5 Trident Z Neo 6000mhz OC'ed to 6200mhz CL32, and I could tell the difference straight away, much more snappier in everything I do, and honestly, it boots faster, ive not touched curve optimizer, ive got no reason to do so, and quite frankley, I cant be bothered to test for days on end to get it stable.

From a gaming perspective it would not make any sense going from a 5800X3D to a 7900 as they are roughly, on average, the same performance. Only doing something like encoding video where you can leverage all cores would you notice a difference but then folks wouldn't really have a 5800X3D if that was their main focus.

I suspect the anecdotal "much more snappier"difference you are experiencing is the fresh OS, rather than any major empirical difference in the CPU/Platform change.

 

[Jamin280672]

I suspect the anecdotal "much more snappier"difference you are experiencing is the fresh OS, rather than any major empirical difference in the

I would like to agree with that, but right now I would have to say no, for the last few weeks ive been playing with ram overclocking on and off, my windows drive seriously needs a reformat from all those errors, the main one ive noticed is windows paint no longer works, im having to use paint 3D for now which I hate, so im pretty sure there is probably a lot more errors in the OS than just paint, it wont get a reformat though until ive finished playing.

Theres another windows error / glitch here:

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[MartinPrince]

I would like to agree with that, but right now I would have to say no, for the last few weeks ive been playing with ram overclocking on and off, my windows drive seriously needs a reformat from all those errors, the main one ive noticed is windows paint no longer works, im having to use paint 3D for now which I hate, so im pretty sure there is probably a lot more errors in the OS than just paint, it wont get a reformat though until ive finished playing.

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I feel your pain with memory tuning but I keep a spare 256Gb SSD with an OS on which I use for the few days it takes me to tune RAM, instead of my main OS

My 7800X3D etc arrives today so I can compare it directly with my 5950X i.e. boot times and let you know if there's a difference for me

As for the OP, the general consensus would appear to be the upgrade is NOT worth it for your usage and I would agree.

 

[Jamin280672]

I feel your pain with memory tuning but I keep a spare 256Gb SSD with an OS on which I use for the few days it takes me to tune RAM, instead of my main OS

My 7800X3D etc arrives today so I can compare it directly with my 5950X i.e. boot times and let you know if there's a difference for me

As for the OP, the general consensus would appear to be the upgrade is NOT worth it for your usage and I would agree.

Ive come to the end now, ran memtest pro for 8 hours through the day with no errors and run Karhu overnight with no erros, its G.Skill Trident Z Neo CL32 6000mhz, I know its |Hynix based but dont know if its A or M, Typhoon Burner wont read it, ive overclocked it to 6200mhz CL32 but using buildzoids timings with no voltage changes, I could probably get it down to CL30, might give it a try if I can be bothered, the part im not looking forward to is wiping C and setting everything up again, the extra 200mhz has given me a bit of a performance uplift: https://valid.x86.fr/x3c84u

 

[Vexr]

Personally I can't relate to these anecdotes about 'snappier boot times' or anything when moving to the latest and greatest platform.

When it comes to boot time and desktop / app opening performance, I doubt I could tell the difference between the my FX-8350 DDR3 system with my first SATA SSD, versus my 5700X, DDR4, NVME boot drive PC now.

Sounds like I should not need to upgrade the core of my system again anytime soon, barring a possible UE5-led shake-up of system requirements.

 

[SpudMaster]

From a gaming perspective it would not make any sense going from a 5800X3D to a 7900 as they are roughly, on average, the same performance. Only doing something like encoding video where you can leverage all cores would you notice a difference but then folks wouldn't really have a 5800X3D if that was their main focus.

I suspect the anecdotal "much more snappier"difference you are experiencing is the fresh OS, rather than any major empirical difference in the CPU/Platform change.

7900 will feel snappier than the 5800X3D as it has a much faster boost clock. Gaming performance is probably similar but the extra mhz probably helps in Windows

 

[Jamin280672]

7900 will feel snappier than the 5800X3D as it has a much faster boost clock. Gaming performance is probably similar but the extra mhz probably helps in Windows

Especially when you add an extra 100mhz to the boost clock she constantly boosts to 5.55ghz, thats 1.1ghz faster than a 5800X3D which only boosts to 4.45ghz in multicore workloads which is pretty much everything, I never saw mine goto 4.5ghz, and also 4 cores 8 threads more.

 

[Marak]

More reasons not to upgrade than to upgrade if you are just a single generation behind and your main use case is gaming, IMHO of course.

Let other people go through the early adopter pains of DDR5 and the new chipset platform before jumping on.

Normally new memory standards take a while before they reach reasonable speeds and latencies as well as price. So if you bought now you would probably be looking to upgrade your ram again on your following upgrade rather than just a simple CPU swap.

 

[Jamin280672]

More reasons not to upgrade than to upgrade if you are just a single generation behind and your main use case is gaming, IMHO of course.

Let other people go through the early adopter pains of DDR5 and the new chipset platform before jumping on.

Normally new memory standards take a while before they reach reasonable speeds and latencies as well as price. So if you bought now you would probably be looking to upgrade your ram again on your following upgrade rather than just a simple CPU swap.

More than happy with my RAM kit, as im running an X670e Gene board I can only use 2 sticks, the only upgrade I would like to do in the future would be to change to 2 x 32gb sticks to give me 64gb total which is more than enough, however that would come with a catch, I would want the same kit, just the 64gb version, and get the same performance out of it, but from what ive read, G.Skill are moving away from using Micron M IC's and only going to use Micron A IC's which are the better chips of the bunch, the rest would just be CPU upgrades going forward from that.

 

[Zenduri]

I'm in a similar situation with a 5800X and I find it hard to justify an upgrade to anything else at the moment as the 5800X3D is still quite pricey while a full AM5 platform jump is even more so and I can't see the value in it right now.

I think if I was on an older AM4 chip like the 2000/3000 then a 5800X3D would make more sense and likewise if I was on an older intel / AM3 set up then AM5 would make more sense but being on a 5000 series is still good enough right now to warrant waiting for a more substantial improvement.

This is basically what ive done, im running a 3600nonx at the moment but ive nabbed a 5800x3d for £279 and ill be slotting that in soon. I had toyed with goin AM5 but I think ill sit it out now until AM6 in 2025/2026 as it seemed a bit pointless to spend £800 on an AM5 upgrade at the moment. Nabbed a killer deal on a Samsung S990 2TB and going from 16GB to 32GB of RAM on the cheap too so it should be a notable upgrade

 

[Twinz]

My 5800X3D + 4090 rig is used primarily for VR sim racing and my HP Reverb can't do more than 90FPS. My 49" superwide can do 144, but it's basically 2 1080p monitors so the GPU doesn't have to work that hard there either.

As long as my hardware can stay above 90FPS minimums (on titles I'm interested in) I'm not looking to upgrade.