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Conanius

Conanius

Conanius

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Hi Folks,

Bit of critique required please

CPU - 7800X3D - I play FS2020. Enough said :) ~ £370

RAM - 32GB - it appears from a quick read around, 6000Mhz CAS30 is the new 'decent option' for these Ryzen CPUs - The G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL30 DDR5 Memory looks pretty decent to me? On offer at ~£115 currently

Motherboard - Several reviews seem to suggest I don't need the extra cost of an X670 over a B650 if I'm not overclocking - therefore the Asus ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming looks like one of the better boards to cope with the future and seems to be ~£270 ish

GFX - I want a 4070Ti. After that, I'm not clear on the sensible model to choose. It looks like the Asus Strix OC is the one that does well in seemingly every comparison it is entered into, but is this diminishing returns over simply getting a Asus Tuf Gaming for ~£140 less? Lets assume the Tuf unless you folk suggest otherwise: - £795

That puts me at ~ £1550.

I am assuming my current:

PSU - Corsair HX1000
Cooler - Celsius S36 AIO
Case - Lian Li Dynamic PC-011

will be compatible....

Appreciate all feedback please folks !
 
If you're spending that much on a GPU then you might look at the RX 7900 XT. It's faster (absent RT), cheaper, and has more VRAM.
 
Good solid choices, and with what you have your cooler is am5 compatible, your case has loads of vertical height for taller gpu's and as long as your psu isnt too old will have enough juice to power everything.

One word to note is the cpu and ram choice, the 7800x3d's official ram supported speed is at best 5600mhz, i mean if you get super lucky the cpu may be able to hit 6000mhz with ddr5, its just i have a freind with the cpu your looking at and after hours of testing and updating bios's the best i have been able to tune is 5600mhz on his ddr5 kit.

tbh i would look at your gpu choice though, as above why not opt for the 7900xt if spending above £700, you could look at a 7800xt nitro+ and save £300, in flight sim 1440p seems to be where that card is most happy, 1080p the 4070ti is better and 4k but 1440p the amd card is a solid option for the price.
 
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Thanks for the replies.

Nearly every video I've watched shows the 4070Ti with DLSS and FG absolutely destroying the AMD offerings. What have I missed ?

Interesting regarding the RAM, I thought 6000 was 'the new 1:1 3600 DDR4' equivalent. I don't want to spend hours tinkering !
 
Conanius said:
Thanks for the replies.

Nearly every video I've watched shows the 4070Ti with DLSS and FG absolutely destroying the AMD offerings. What have I missed ?

Interesting regarding the RAM, I thought 6000 was 'the new 1:1 3600 DDR4' equivalent. I don't want to spend hours tinkering !
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non x3d chips will do 6000mhz ddr5 easy even 6200mhz with newer bios versions, the reason why x3d is lower is because of the extra cache the cpu has, voltages are lower in the cpu which limits ddr5 speeds on those chips.

with regard to your options for dlss and FG from nvidia they are great technologies in there own right, its just the 4070ti is not a great choice because of the price £750+ is terrible value, in any case the resolution your going to play at makes a big diffrence to which gpu you should be looking at, those kind of prices amd should be what your looking at tbh, you can still get very decent performace with a 7800xt, coupled with the 7800x3d it will be a very solid gaming pc, msfs is very cpu heavy so your choice of the 7800x3d is correct.

even if your ram maxes out at 5600mhz a good cl30 kit will perform very well in any case
 
Conanius said:
Thanks for the replies.

I thought 6000 was 'the new 1:1 3600 DDR4' equivalent. I don't want to spend hours tinkering !
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Your correct while ram speed isn't a big deal for gaming it's full potential hasn't be fullfield yet and hardware unboxed reccomends getting 6000mhz for theese reasons.
 
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Conanius said:
Hi Folks,

Bit of critique required please

CPU - 7800X3D - I play FS2020. Enough said :) ~ £370

RAM - 32GB - it appears from a quick read around, 6000Mhz CAS30 is the new 'decent option' for these Ryzen CPUs - The G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL30 DDR5 Memory looks pretty decent to me? On offer at ~£115 currently

Motherboard - Several reviews seem to suggest I don't need the extra cost of an X670 over a B650 if I'm not overclocking - therefore the Asus ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming looks like one of the better boards to cope with the future and seems to be ~£270 ish

GFX - I want a 4070Ti. After that, I'm not clear on the sensible model to choose. It looks like the Asus Strix OC is the one that does well in seemingly every comparison it is entered into, but is this diminishing returns over simply getting a Asus Tuf Gaming for ~£140 less? Lets assume the Tuf unless you folk suggest otherwise: - £795

That puts me at ~ £1550.

I am assuming my current:

PSU - Corsair HX1000
Cooler - Celsius S36 AIO
Case - Lian Li Dynamic PC-011

will be compatible....

Appreciate all feedback please folks !
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£1500 is a lot to spend on what would be a minimal upgrade other than being able to use frame gen, personally I'd wait to Zen 5 and see if Nvidia prices change when FSR3 is out as the 4070ti is probably one of the worse cards right now for price to performance.
 
Joxeon said:
£1500 is a lot to spend on what would be a minimal upgrade other than being able to use frame gen, personally I'd wait to Zen 5 and see if Nvidia prices change when FSR3 is out as the 4070ti is probably one of the worse cards right now for price to performance.
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I'd literally triple my frame rate in FS2020 with a cost to change of ~£700. That doesn't seem bad to me.

The FSR3 comment however is fair. I doubt there will be colossal improvement on my 6900XT though.

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RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 / 1080p 1440p 4K / DLSS 3 / MSFS 2020

Benchmark RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 / 1080p 1440p 4K / DLSS 3 Frame Generation / MSFS 2020. I tested popular Flight Simulator 2020 at ...
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@wookiee87 - that's the best video of comparison showing what the new rig would roughly deliver in FS2020. I can't find any 7900XT videos remotely close to this.
 
Conanius said:
I'd literally triple my frame rate in FS2020 with a cost to change of ~£700. That doesn't seem bad to me.

The FSR3 comment however is fair. I doubt there will be colossal improvement on my 6900XT though.

www.youtube.com

RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 / 1080p 1440p 4K / DLSS 3 / MSFS 2020

Benchmark RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 / 1080p 1440p 4K / DLSS 3 Frame Generation / MSFS 2020. I tested popular Flight Simulator 2020 at ...
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@wookiee87 - that's the best video of comparison showing what the new rig would roughly deliver in FS2020. I can't find any 7900XT videos remotely close to this.
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Maybe just get the 4070ti then for now, here's a vid showing a 4070ti with a 5800X3D and fps looks similar to that of the 7800X3D with FG.
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Microsoft Flight Simulator | RTX 4070 Ti | 5800X3D | 4K 1440p 1080p | Ultra Settings | DLSS 3 ON/OFF

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Another cheaper option would be to get the geforce now ultimate package for £18 a month for 4080 performance.
 
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Thanks for the reply @Joxeon - If you look at those two videos (those are the two that influenced my choices !) look at the 1% and 0.1% lows. I think that's where the 5800X3D simply can't keep up with the physics generation load.

Your idea however totally sound, so I might give that a go - I haven't seen anyone comment on the Asus Tuf 4070Ti, so I think I'll give it a go
 
Conanius said:
Thanks for the reply @Joxeon - If you look at those two videos (those are the two that influenced my choices !) look at the 1% and 0.1% lows. I think that's where the 5800X3D simply can't keep up with the physics generation load.

Your idea however totally sound, so I might give that a go - I haven't seen anyone comment on the Asus Tuf 4070Ti, so I think I'll give it a go
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In terms of performance all 4070ti's will be around the same, some maybe a bit quieter but there won't be much in it, I'd definitely try out the geforce now 4080 tier for a month at 18 quid though before shelling out £800 on a 4070ti.
 
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Joxeon said:
In terms of performance all 4070ti's will be around the same, some maybe a bit quieter but there won't be much in it, I'd definitely try out the geforce now 4080 tier for a month at 18 quid though before shelling out £800 on a 4070ti.
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Unless I'm going mad, FS2020 isn't on there
 
Just a quick note...

I have 7800x3d with the asus b650e e gaming mobo and running corsair vengeance rgb 6000c30 on it. It required a bios update as to start with the board gave a memory code fault and I couldn't run the AMD expo setting. Once i installed the new bios, it dropped the voltage to cpu down to 1.24v and ram worked straight away after expo enabled. Not had a single problem with it since then.
You'll need to do the bios for the 7800x3d whatever to bring the core CPU voltage down, but the latest bios is also specifically designed to allow for more stable higher ram settings.

Hope that puts your mind at rest
 
Conanius said:
Hi Folks,

Bit of critique required please

CPU - 7800X3D - I play FS2020. Enough said :) ~ £370

RAM - 32GB - it appears from a quick read around, 6000Mhz CAS30 is the new 'decent option' for these Ryzen CPUs - The G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL30 DDR5 Memory looks pretty decent to me? On offer at ~£115 currently

Motherboard - Several reviews seem to suggest I don't need the extra cost of an X670 over a B650 if I'm not overclocking - therefore the Asus ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming looks like one of the better boards to cope with the future and seems to be ~£270 ish

GFX - I want a 4070Ti. After that, I'm not clear on the sensible model to choose. It looks like the Asus Strix OC is the one that does well in seemingly every comparison it is entered into, but is this diminishing returns over simply getting a Asus Tuf Gaming for ~£140 less? Lets assume the Tuf unless you folk suggest otherwise: - £795

That puts me at ~ £1550.

I am assuming my current:

PSU - Corsair HX1000
Cooler - Celsius S36 AIO
Case - Lian Li Dynamic PC-011

will be compatible....

Appreciate all feedback please folks !
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Yep.ASUS boards have been doing especially wwll with the 7800X3D chip of late...NOT. They were resolving the issue whilst getting egg on their faces but I would check to see that it does actually work fine now and won't melt your CPU
 
I've a 7800x3d, b650e-f and g.skill 6000mhz cl30. Bought it all right at the height of the exploding CPU scandal...turned on expo and away it all went no problem. Managed to get it to to 6400mhz as well with a bump to fclk and no issue...
 
Dreadi said:
I've a 7800x3d, b650e-f and g.skill 6000mhz cl30. Bought it all right at the height of the exploding CPU scandal...turned on expo and away it all went no problem. Managed to get it to to 6400mhz as well with a bump to fclk and no issue...
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Glad to hear that they have sorted it out. I speak as the owner of 2* ASUS ROG Strix boards (B350 and B450) but it was not a good look for Asus when it was all unfolding
 
I really didn't buy into the jay2cents hype and trying to cancel them. The first board that went pop was a gigabyte. New architecture, these things unfortunately happen. Yes they could have handled it better but the witch hunt was already well underway I think....
B650e-e is still the best mid level am5 boards and prices have come down lately I see to the same price I paid for my f-gaming!
 
Thanks for all the replies folks.

Just hit go on:

7800X3D CPU
32GB (2x16GB) Corsair CL30 6000mhz RAM
Asus B650E-E Gaming Board
Palit RTX 4070 Ti
Looking forward to another weekend project. Not looking forward to 15 years of waiting to download the MSFS updates !
 
Just to close this off.

****** had an issue with the Palit availability, so I ended up with an MSI card.

All built yesterday. Initial impressions are:

- I had to do the expected bios update
- It appears absolutely rock solid. All I've done config wise is enable EXPO I, no other tuning/settings in the bios. Need to work through that over the weekend.

Whilst on paper it wasn't a huge leap, it seems significantly better :)
 
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