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Amd 8 cores! Will beat conroe!

They would do. The AMDs have the Hypertransport between the cpus and Intel has a crappy shared memory bus. That results in the AMDs being able to be far better at knowing what each is doing and share cace info much more effectively.

x86 is still very limited in what it is good at.
 
I don't think even the most cutting-edge game will have much use for what amounts to a small server with unbuffered non-ECC memory. Not much of a market there. Games are not likely to be optimised for 8 cores, nor are they likely to gain anything significant from such a performance margin over the average if they were - there's no profit in tuning a game for such a miniscule proportion of the market.

I think this could even backfire horribly as bragware. Since games won't make efficient use of 8 cores, benchmark numbers for real games probably won't be all that much better than with a PC using Core 2 and costing a fraction of the price.
 
Angilion said:
I don't think even the most cutting-edge game will have much use for what amounts to a small server with unbuffered non-ECC memory. Not much of a market there. Games are not likely to be optimised for 8 cores, nor are they likely to gain anything significant from such a performance margin over the average if they were - there's no profit in tuning a game for such a miniscule proportion of the market.

I think this could even backfire horribly as bragware. Since games won't make efficient use of 8 cores, benchmark numbers for real games probably won't be all that much better than with a PC using Core 2 and costing a fraction of the price.
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not so long ago our Bill was saying home users wouldnt ever need more than a few meg of ram and the internet was only a fad.........................look how wrong he was

Right now you are correct but as stated there are some chips before this that wont be out before 2007, so we are talking 2008 at least before we see production of these ones mentioned.

Thats two years for the likes of Photoshop, Adobe, MS themselves, not to mention games producers to utilise more than one core , I personally think thats easily enough time to change what a percentage of people want touse their PC for

I also HOPE that AMD have something more than just AM2 to fall back on over the next year or so, or with the promise of Conroe they may well loose all the performance advantage they have ( and more besides)
 
Personally If this goes through I can see it beeing used in the server / extreme high end biz puters, and thats about it really, at least for a good few years, for a home setup its just going to be overkill for what they are currently used for, maybe quad core will come to the home pc market in a few years, but thats probably going to be a little rare too.
 
I just can't see this reverse hyperthreading working myself. People have been researching it for ages but haven't got anywhere. Say you were calculating z = x + y on one core and then w = z + x, you couldn't do the second one until you worked out the first one, which would require a memory refresh iirc. That's a very simple example but I just can't see SLi for processors.
 
technical stuff aside this made me laugh,

"The two processors may be sitting next to each other, one heatsink is needed... This reduces motherboard cost substantially."


Yeah thats a substantial saving of upto £5 for a crap heatsink and fan.
 
From what I have learnt AMD is introduced this as server technology first, it seems that amd maybe leaving the desktop market and going for the server market where it has increased its market share the most, from certain reports. BY havign 2 sockets amd will most likely bring out different chips for the second socket, so you would have a normal cpu in one socket and a cpu designed for databases access in another, the idea being that buying an amd server means you can suit the hardware for the application its going to be used for, at least thats may understanding of amd business plan.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/06/05/AMD_answers_Conroe_with_4x4/

Not a bad idea, as having a cpu designed to be better at physics in a gaming pc may end up if better than a conroe system at gaming, if amd can pull it off and pull if off well it maybe worth it.

Also imagine having a gpu - type second cpu right next to the cpu, that should be fast having the two processors next to each other.
 
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

We need AMD on the desktop - no disrespect to conroe, I really hope its a fabulous chip, but the customer NEEDS competition otherwise Intel will hike prices back up and give us less and less

To be honest while AMD may focus on Servers and workstations for a while ( not saying they would, but its possible) I dont think it would ever be permanent. IMO they are just getting known as an option in the wider world for desktops and laptops - after getting their name out there I dont honestly think they will give up that quickly - I seriously hope not anyway
 
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