You'll get DLSS with Nvidia which I think works in Skyrim. If you do it, tell me how it went, I might do the same (or a 5080 maybe even).
AMD 9070XT VR good idea?
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People moan about compression artefacts then add more artefacts by using DLSS.
By all accounts DLSS in the Mad Dog Overhaul is supposed to look fantastic. Very sharp and great performance.
Yes I've heard it's great. I've tried to sort it out for an earlier modded list I had but couldn't get it working. It's a bit more involved than just turning on a mod as Nvidia operate a whitelist for games that support DLSS4, so you have to go into the registry.
You don't have to edit the registry, well, at least not for the Mad Dog Overhaul. You run a bat file and enable DLAA in the CS menu. See here.
I am also very curious how the 5070 TI performs in VR in comparison to the 9070 XT. I have done some testing with the 9070 XT in VR and it does not impress. In a lot of games it performs about as well as a 6800 XT in VR. I am hoping it is related to driver issues so it can be fixed with an update. If it is somehow hardware related then the 9070 XT is not a good VR card at all. I have asked multiple people with 9070 XT's to perform the same tests in VR and they yield the same results, so it's not something related to my own setup being broken.
I came from a 6900XT to a 9070XT and the 9070 XT has been much better in VR.
What headset are you using? And what CPU do you have? What games have you noticed no improvement in?
I can't directly compare to something I had as before this PC I didn't have a desktop PC but rather a laptop, so this PC will be better regardless.
I am running the GPU on an AMD 9800X3D. I have been comparing the card in VR titles against cards like the 3090 and 7900 XTX with the help of some friends that have those cards. We don't have that many VR games in common so the best we can do is benchmark with tools like OpenVR Benchmark and some VRChat worlds and the odd free VR game. At the exact same resolution the 9070 XT scores 25fps in OpenVR benchmark while the 3090 scores 31fps and the 7900 XTX 41fps. This same behavior carries over to VRChat and Elite Dangerous. I haven't properly tested more games between all three cards so it is entirely possible that the 9070 XT has issues in these exact titles and not in other VR titles.
What headsets do you all have? And in open VR what is the exact resolution you are all running? VR Chat isn't a great indicator of performance differences between cards. And against the 3090 and 7900XTX, the performance is going to be kind of similar between all three cards. The 7900XTX will be a little faster over, the 3090 should be the slowest overall. But, all these things are very game dependent.
Have you tried using the latest AMD hotfix drivers? 25.3.2?
For parity we all use Virtual Desktop with identical settings. I run a Pico 4 Ultra, the person with the 7900 XTX a Pico 4 Pro (the pro and ultra are for all practical purposes identical for PCVR ), and the person with the 3090 has a Quest Pro. I am running on the 25.3.2 drivers. I forgot whether they are available for the 7900 XTX but if they are then they also used those.
I also tried doing the exact same benchmarks and playing the same VRChat worlds, and elite dangerous on the Pimax Crystal Light running practically the same render resolution as I did while using Virtual Desktop and I measured the same performance. I didn't measure a performance difference between Wireless and native PCVR.
My 9070 XT is going on Ebay and here on the MM, it's literally hardly been used. Haven't tested it in my new 9800x3d system so can't say how well it does tbh, I put it in an i7 7700k system which is hardly fair to judge its performance. I've gone from a 4090 to a 3070 to a 9070 XT to a 5080 within a few months lol, why oh why did I sell the 4090 in the 1st place 
but the upshot is I have a card with warranty now and a new system basically.
but the upshot is I have a card with warranty now and a new system basically.hmmm interesting testing there. I just did a couple of runs of the Open VR benchmark just there. I am getting around 27, using Godlike. I have a 5800X CPU. As for VR chat, I don't have that installed. Don't have Elite Dangerous installed either. However, as said earlier in this thread, I have tested Fallout 4 VR, Skyrim VR and Half Life Alyx. In these games, while the performance jump hasn't been huge coming from a 6900XT, there has been a noticeable increase. The Mad Dog Overhaul was almost unplayable when using the 6900XT.
Based on your posts, I went searching the internet and found that there seems to be a problem with Iracing too. Here is a video you might find interesting.
He has another earlier video that complains about problems with the 9070XT. This one is a follow up where a driver update and some setting changes seems to have fixed most of his issues.
It seems that there might be driver issues with certain games, or maybe it's even all games and when they get around to sorting the issue, performance will improve in all VR games. At least in some games, the newest beta driver seems to have improved performance (Iracing) But that wasn't running great in desktop mode either, so that VR improvement might just be a happy coincidence.
I would say if you are unhappy with the performance, return it and get the 5070Ti. You might be waiting a while for AMD.
Yeah I have seen that video as well, but it seems the issue he describes in his previous video was caused by Windows's HAGS (Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling) being turned on. As you already mentioned the card underperforms in iRacing whether it's in VR or normal flatscreen, so it's completely possible that certain games just have driver issues. This is why I wanted to test and compare more VR games but it's hard to find people willing to do it with as it requires quite some time.
As for buying a 5070 TI instead that's unfortunately not an option at the ridiculous pricing it still is. And quite frankly I am willing to stay with AMD for the sake of hoping more people do the same thing to show our general unhappiness with Nvidia lately.
Amd has always underperformed on Iracing since day 1, desktop and VR , I'd be surprised if thats changed recently with any generation.
Shaun thingy the main Gpu guy let his disdain for Amd drivers slip a few times on the old forum and admitted all development was on Nvidia machines and they had no Amd hardware to even test on at one point. They may well have changed since then, but I'm still on a 3080 for Iracing so can't comment.
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The HAGS was a separate issue with his Pimax Headset. I only linked the video to show that, at least in one game, the 25.3.2 drivers has improved performance. As seen by the 7900 cards, VR performance isn't a high priority for AMD.
For VR testing you really need to be testing different cards on the same system. There are just so many variables when you start comparing across systems. That also adds to the difficulty in finding people to test games.
EDIT: It might be worthwhile putting all the info you have collected into one post. Then go into the Graphic section of the forum and the AMD driver thread and post it in there. Mark it for the attention of AMD_VIK. He is the AMD rep on this forum. Maybe he might be able to speed things up or at least say if it's a driver problem or not.
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Thanks for the suggestion! I'll see if I can collect some more data and make a big post with everything I have collected up until that point.
Great video, thx, I have a 9070 XT and 5080 here, that video showed them closer than I expected tbh. Might compare mine to decide which to sell, was leaning towards keeping the 5080 but not so sure now.