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AMD announces FSR Redstone for RDNA4: Neural Radiance Caching, ML Ray Regeneration and Frame Generation

brostradamus said:
thats not the point i am trying to make..
i am sure how the 9070 will start to suddenly look like a 9060 when nvidia announces the inevitable supers
i am just saying here that nvidia is too far ahead of the game right now and comparisons that paint the competitors in the same ballpark are probably not a correct interpretation of the current market situation
the only thing in your comment that resonates with my observation is that the market is currently supply constrained
given this backdrop, i am not too optimistic about amd's new AI based featureset until its proven in the market and i think i have an informed bias towards nvidia winning the performance & features battle by a huge margin, so wouldnt consider them comparable to the slightest, its not that i want nvidia to win but its the current scenario. hope it changes in the near future
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The problem is your doing an Apple when they misstep instead of acknowledging the reality of what is happening. Honestly,why is that everytime Nvidia messes up instead of holding Nvidia accountable people are trying to find some excuse for new glory in EVERY AMD thread?

Instead people make a multitude of reasons why Nvidia is the bestest like Rollo did,then blame the competition for not giving them cheaper cards.

Guess what? Nvidia knows you will only ever buy them,so won't be decreasing prices since you will only buy them. They will only decrease prices when the competition take sales from them.Just like Apple.

Regarding the technical aspects.

The AD103 and GB203 are the same size and despite the RTX5080 have 30% more bandwidth,it's barely faster than an RTX4080 Super. In a number of games,Blackwell is slower than Ada Lovelace. Even the Nvidia drivers are flaky - which again is another indication they are pulling resources into AI.

AMD is literally using GDDR6 which is ancient. Not even GDDR6X. The RX9070XT is pretty much an RX7800XT/RX6700XT class dGPU engineered using cheap VRAM. They rebadged the sub £500 RX8800XT as a nearly £600 RX9070XT.

If AMD had used GDDR7 the cards would be faster than they are now. The RX7900XTX can still beat an RX9070XT in bandwidth limited scenarios.

So how is this AMD even trying? They literally have made lots of noise about their work with Sony - they literally have taken a set of features that Sony helped fund and dumped it into a relatively economy design.

The fact they are competing upto £700,is Nvidia not giving two ***** about gamers either:

The fact is,neither of them care as much as you think. Nvidia is massively capacity constrained for AI and AMD is massively constained for both CPUs and AI. AMD could ditch their Radeon department and make far more money making server CPUs. Nvidia could make a few times more selling to commercial partners.

Maybe you can buy Intel then? Wait,they are even more "behind" AMD.

humbug said:
Yes and the performance is similar with a similar die size, AMD also achieve that with cheaper memory, at this point i don't know what your point is? Is Nvidia's market share bigger? Yes, that's not what you're referring to, you're trying to say that Nvidia have significant higher performance for a similar build of materials cost, no they don't, not even close.
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It's telling the moment AMD gets into spitting distance with upscaling and RT related features,we start getting all the negative comments.

Isn't that what the same people were complaining for years about? Now they listened to them,still no point apparently! :cry:
 
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the rdna4 actually has some new functional units to do matrix math (tensor ALUs i think they call it).. idk how anyone call that a rebadged chip
but i guess thats it from my side
 
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humbug said:
It shouldn't be that game developers only add vendor specific features if they get a bag of money, you're blaming the wrong people for the wrong reasons, its also not the GPU vendor who pays for that, its you and me in the price of the GPU.
If AMD are to start throwing money at game developers then their GPU's are going to be more expensive.
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'Shouldn't', 'blame'... not interested in the moral philosophy of it, I'm talking about making a self-interested decision as a consumer. I also don't believe for one second in the 3D chess aspect of trying to play the incentives for some kind of market equilibrium that will align to the customer's benefit (in the long run) - more clearly (as evidenced by AMD's own actions already) they would simply pocket the margin they'd save. So why care? Give me better features (or overall value) and figure it out, not here to help anyone's sales numbers out of charity. If it ends up as a monopoly, it does so due to the competitor's inability to offer a compelling alternative and would end up there regardless. Not my problem.
 
Poneros said:
'Shouldn't', 'blame'... not interested in the moral philosophy of it, I'm talking about making a self-interested decision as a consumer. I also don't believe for one second in the 3D chess aspect of trying to play the incentives for some kind of market equilibrium that will align to the customer's benefit (in the long run) - more clearly (as evidenced by AMD's own actions already) they would simply pocket the margin they'd save. So why care? Give me better features (or overall value) and figure it out, not here to help anyone's sales numbers out of charity. If it ends up as a monopoly, it does so due to the competitor's inability to offer a compelling alternative and would end up there regardless. Not my problem.
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Don't me wrong i agree, if it takes for AMD do buy mindshare then they should do that, i've been saying that for years. If it takes AMD buying feature or even feature exclusivity then do that.

But nothing is free. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Poneros said:
Not really, but either way it's still too little (and very late). Worse than that if you really wanted to enjoy FSR 4 in the titles where you'd need it most you'd have to rely on Optiscaler, and even now the piggybacking FSR 4 does needs whitelisting for driver-toggle. To me that's simply unacceptable - why deal with that headache when I can just go Nvidia and have DLSS with no such issues? Obviously Nvidia does this to a certain extent for the transformer model but it's a different matter - a slight increase in quality (T vs CNN) vs usable/nigh-unusable (FSR 4 vs 3).

What's most indicative that they're not serious about this is how lackluster the support has been in Cyberpunk (but ofc applicable to other mega popular titles), whether we're talking late adoption (had to wait many months for FSR 2, which itself took many months to launch in the first place), late updating, or indeed still waiting - for FSR 3.1-4, and for proper denoising. And don't tell me, oh but it's Nvidia sponsored, bla bla, because at the same time there's 0% chance AMD went up to CDPR with a bag and said let's update the game for support and CDPR turned them down. If you don't see the marketing & brand value of competing in the most benchmarked GPU title & a 30+ million seller, then what do they see the value in? But again, AMD's marketing department has been disastrous since... pfffft, ever?
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Annnnd ignore.
 
Which would mean a even higher priced card even though they are already overpriced for what they are. The 9070/9070XT needs a hefty price cut, even more so now that Nvidia has dropped prices.
 
tommybhoy said:

AMD eventually throwing money CDPRs way for proper FSR support, better late than never I suppose.


Off the top of my head...

Years ahead of Nvidia with Adrenaline.

Integrated GPU/CPU oc'ing.

Integrated OSD.

Rebar.

Open source universal upscaling for everyone.

FG for everyone.

Driver level FG support.
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Wait is Cyberpunk officially getting getting FSR 4.1?
 
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pastymuncher said:
Which would mean a even higher priced card even though they are already overpriced for what they are. The 9070/9070XT needs a hefty price cut, even more so now that Nvidia has dropped prices.
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Just to correct this misconception. Nvidia did not drop their prices, the lower than expected sales and poor 5000 series reviews forced retailers to stop price gouging so much and as such 5000 series are now at MSRP. AMD need to start giving those limited rebates again.
 
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