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AMD are getting desperate now...

AMD market the damn thing as 8 core, so it's their problem.
They should market it as a 4 core with HT but it'd still be a disappointing CPU.

I don't understand the defense of these CPUs at all.
"Well the performance isn't even that bad, because they aren't even 8 cores anyway..."
Seriously, we're scraping the barrel here.

I'll happily defend AMD, I loved my Phenom II and my TLB bugged Phenom before. In the case of the first release BD chips though... There's nothing to defend.

The arguement for the magical life fixing patch is the funniest one. Fair play, you'll get some performance improvement, but you'd have to be off your trolley to buy a BD chip now to wait for it.
If they can sort out their power consumption and clock speeds AND once the patch is actually out, then it'd maybe be worth looking at.
 
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Whether it's 4 core with a form of HT or 8 core the bottom line is that single threaded performance is poor, prior to release every Phenom owner was hoping for IPC improvements to keep up with Intel's ever increasing core performance and what they got is worse cores than Phenom but with more of them to compensate, quantity instead of quality.

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http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21781/amd_bulldozer_continues_to_sell_out_from_shelves/index.html

Bulldozer is selling well. Maybe not here, because most people (so called enthusiasts) still think the FX-8150 is an 8 core that's weaker than Intels 4-core.
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It's just a positive marketing spin, of course it will fly off the shelves if stock is as scarce as it has been, even now the big 3 retailers I use have no stock of 8150 and it's been like that since release apart from a few odd days where limited stock appears, the rest of the models have rarely been out of stock.
 
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It is not a bad CPU, just not a VERY good CPU, I will give them the benefit of the doubt that the next release will be a very good CPU. I like many others will be waiting to see this as I have Thuban and do not need to upgrade at the moment. My next CPU will be an AMD whether this year (2012) or next.
 
A desperate business desperately trying to sell a desperately poor performing product. That's desperation.

Cash back? Why not just reduce the selling price? Oh wait. They're hoping not everyone will send the form in. After all its not lovely AMD's fault if the forms aren't sent in, is it. I mean if the consumer really wants to pay full prices and not jump through hoo... Um, take advantage of the brilliant cash back offer, then how are AMD to blame? Nooo, they're all lovely and wonderful and lovely and wonderful. And lovely.

Do you feel like you've just read a poor attempt at a troll? Well I'm super serial man. AMD have had a bad run recently, 1st with bulldozer and now with the 7 series GPU's... Which incidentally look fine to me, but are still causing allot of mumbling about not being fast enough by some of the community. If I were AMD I'd be worried, maybe even getting a little desperate. Their recently rushed paper launch of Southern Islands could also be interpreted as further evidence of this. I'll leave you to form your own conclusions on that.

And don't go accusing me of being an Intel fanboy, or anything like that. I go for the best product on the market at the time of purchase, irrespective of who makes it.
 
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Cash back? Why not just reduce the selling price? Oh wait. They're hoping not everyone will send the form in. After all its not lovely AMD's fault if the forms aren't sent in, is it. I mean if the consumer really wants to pay full prices and not jump through hoo... Um, take advantage of the brilliant cash back offer, then how are AMD to blame? Nooo, they're all lovely and wonderful and lovely and wonderful. And lovely.

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And don't go accusing me of being an Intel fanboy, or anything like that. I go for the best product on the market at the time of purchase, irrespective of who makes it.
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The last part of your post makes no sense after the hilarious trolling spiel of rubbish that came before it.

It genuinely isn't AMDs fault if someone is too lazy to send off a form to claim their cashback. I know you might struggle to understand, but it really isn't. In any way.

If you're going to go off on a hilarious rant, at least have a point.
 
Ok, but it wouldn't be a hilarious rant if it had a point. This is no time for logic! This is Spart.. No, actually its AMD.

You're right, its not the fault of the business if people don't claim on cash-back offers. But it is still imo a bit sneaky. They could offer a straight price drop, but why reduce the price for everyone when you can offer a cash back scheme instead? Knowing full well that not everyone will take advantage of it. So the business gets to claim reduced pricing, but without actually having to honor that promise unless the customer insists on it.
 
yeah cause the reviews I have read so far of the 7*** series cards have them quite literally stomping on anything thrown their direction, doubling the scores of the 580 in Heaven Benchmark, going toe to toe with 6990 in Battlefield 3, beating the 6990 in almost every conceivable way, and its a single processor card as well. that is quite clearly a bad product isn't it, and of course they should be worried that their new graphics card is blowing everything out of the water and is without a doubt the fastest single processor graphics card on the planet at the moment.

you people need to really take a look at things before jumping to conclusions sometimes, or else should just name this Intel-bashers.co.uk in the near future. ;)
 
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Cash back? Why not just reduce the selling price? Oh wait. They're hoping not everyone will send the form in. After all its not lovely AMD's fault if the forms aren't sent in, is it. I mean if the consumer really wants to pay full prices and not jump through hoo... Um, take advantage of the brilliant cash back offer, then how are AMD to blame? Nooo, they're all lovely and wonderful and lovely and wonderful. And lovely.
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Because almost every supplier already has stock that is not selling. If they reduce the price it will not get rid of the current stock that retailers already have.
 
The problem is that Bulldozer already has the reputation of not living up to its expectations so no matter what it's priced at, people will want to play it safe and just buy Intel. It's a bit like a halo effect except here, it's working against AMD.
 
Indeed it is turning into a cult of Intel around here.

The simple fact of the matter is Bulldozer is under performing because it isn't reaching the projected frequencies within normal power consumption figures. The processor was intended to be clocked at around 30% higher than the last generation, at the moment it is less than 10% higher than the last generation.

Bulldozer equals K10.5 in most benchmarks at around 10% higher clock speeds, don't forget that it is 20% under clocked from an architectural design stand point. Not defending the fact that things haven't gone according to the plan, but you absolutely cannot crucify the product the way it has been based on what is essentially a manufacturing short coming, the architecture is working like it is supposed to for the most part. Frequencies should be 20% higher than they are right now, at those speeds would the whole world be complaining as much as it is, people on here would be complaining mind.

Also, one of the main stumbling blocks in performance is the cache design, it doesn't work at lower frequencies because it isn't designed to work at low frequencies. As the frequency increases, the cache latency decreases and the instructions per clock increases accordingly, so at the clock speed it should be operating at the instructions per clock should be higher simply due to the cache structure. Not defending the handling of the situation in any way, the marketing is wrong for one as its not an eight core processor, but the amount of people jumping to insane conclusions is just beyond the joke.

Personally starting to think Advanced Micro Devices and Bulldozer are victim of one of the biggest smear campaigns ever witnessed in the computing world and its all caused by people jumping to conclusions over what is essentially a half baked product, fair enough it shouldn't be performing the way it is but its not a failure at an architectural stand point, more fabrication stand point. ;)
 
Intel got the same bashing back in the early P4 days, it's simply a lacklustre product at a ridiculous price so you can't expect people to praise AMD for it. People don't care about what AMD originally intended Bulldozer to be, they care about the end product and what AMD expect them to pay for it.

Hopefully AMD will crack on and recover like Intel did with the P4 before eventually binning it, then they will get back the respect that they have lost and cease to be a laughing stock. IMO they wouldn't be getting ripped so much if they hadn't replaced the entire Phenom line with this garbage 'it's good on paper' processor but they are EOL'ing a very popular and great value line of products for something next to nobody wants.
 
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