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AMD and ATI are pretty much the one and the same these days mate, as in AMD own ATI, and if I remember rightly they had Rolf Hattis on board with them for a while.
 
Yes thats why ATi are getting ruined. :(

Should have left them alone.

2900 the GTS performer got to last till next January, Nvidia crying with laughter as their GTX has zero competiton, their next card up the Ultra has zero competition, and then their next card, the 1x teraflop G92's supposedly twice the power of the GTX coming October/November with zero competiton as ATi are sticking with a lowly 8800 GTS performer till next Jan, OUCH. :(
 
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TheRealDeal said:
Anyhow look at the specs and hype over the hd2900xt nvidias 1 tera flop
card may turn out to be the same a lot of hype not to much action.
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Doesn't matter if the G92 is all hype, 2900 is only GTS performance, the GTS is much cheaper and has more memory, the GTX is a lot faster, the Ultra is a lot faster, ATi cant even get anywhere near Nvidia's next 2x cards up that are out now, theres no point buying ATi again now. :(
 
Well you thinking that everyone gonna buy a gtx or ultra not many will tbh.
Its the cards below this that count and at the moment the hd2900xt ain't
such a bad option to the gts especially for people who may want to go
dual gfx in the future to boost performance. Add to that when ati get the
drivers sorted for this card which they most likely will never seen them fail in
the past then they not looking to bad. They have made pretty big mistakes
on this gen but don't think it will hurt them to much especially if the med
to low end cards perform better than nvidias which looking at it shouldn't be
to hard but ya never know.
 
Well you thinking that everyone gonna buy a gtx or ultra not many will tbh.
Its the cards below this that count and at the moment the hd2900xt ain't
such a bad option to the gts especially for people who may want to go
dual gfx in the future to boost performance. Add to that when ati get the
drivers sorted for this card which they most likely will never seen them fail in
the past then they not looking to bad. They have made pretty big mistakes
on this gen but don't think it will hurt them to much especially if the med
to low end cards perform better than nvidias which looking at it shouldn't be
to hard but ya never know.
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Yes to a point but nvidia have a quite bigger % of the market and it will only get bigger, ati must be worried
 
no offense but why doesn't everyone stop going on about how bad AMD processors are, how bad ATI cards are, take it you lot have never heard of the phrase 'trial and error', BOTH the G80 and R600 cards use relatively unknown technology (even though ATI had xenos, its still more or less new technology) and NVIDIA got lucky, big deal, they got lucky and there riding there wave of success, good for them, ATI will get it right next time around and the balance will be restored, just as AMD will get it right with there next-generation processor and get back in the ring with intel, you can't fight the inevitability of the computer world. and lets face it, enthusiasts RELY on this competition between these big manufacturers, its what drives the world forward, if NVIDIA and intel dominate the market from now on, the PC market may as well just be left to die cause prices would be high and progress would slow down, anyone heard the phrase 'necessity is the mother of all invention' :confused:
 
With cpu's amd are cutting prices again how much profit they making per chip i wonder?,and nvidia have quite a lead over ati at the moment sales wise not sure if it improve for ati when low and mid range come out.
I do think amd/ati are worried as intel are a much bigger company than amd and nvidia doing quite well against ati, never mind intel looking at cpu/gpu's chips aswell.
I think amd/ati are getting squeezed a bit from both sides at moment
 
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no offense but why doesn't everyone stop going on about how bad AMD processors are, how bad ATI cards are, take it you lot have never heard of the phrase 'trial and error', BOTH the G80 and R600 cards use relatively unknown technology (even though ATI had xenos, its still more or less new technology) and NVIDIA got lucky, big deal, they got lucky and there riding there wave of success, good for them, ATI will get it right next time around and the balance will be restored, just as AMD will get it right with there next-generation processor and get back in the ring with intel, you can't fight the inevitability of the computer world. and lets face it, enthusiasts RELY on this competition between these big manufacturers, its what drives the world forward, if NVIDIA and intel dominate the market from now on, the PC market may as well just be left to die cause prices would be high and progress would slow down, anyone heard the phrase 'necessity is the mother of all invention' :confused:
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THANK YOU. :) Nice that someone said it at last.

Then there's the people who seem to think they're not only IC pros, but business pros too. If anyone thinks ATI are as good as gone (or AMD for that matter), they should look at where both companies come from, and by that I'm talking mid 90s and before.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Well you thinking that everyone gonna buy a gtx or ultra not many will tbh.
Its the cards below this that count and at the moment the hd2900xt ain't
such a bad option to the gts .
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Of course it is, who's gona pay more for a GTS performer with less memory when you can get a much cheaper GTS with more memory, doesn't make sense.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Yes thats why ATi are getting ruined. :(

Should have left them alone.

2900 the GTS performer got to last till next January, Nvidia crying with laughter as their GTX has zero competiton, their next card up the Ultra has zero competition, and then their next card, the 1x teraflop G92's supposedly twice the power of the GTX coming October/November with zero competiton as ATi are sticking with a lowly 8800 GTS performer till next Jan, OUCH. :(
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Rofl you know as well as me that the 2900 design was done and dusted long before AMD got involved and bought up ATI, it hasn't made the 2900xt perform any worse or better than it would have been if ATI was still their own company.

The only way we will know of AMD has killed ATI is to see the new products in the next few years as I bet the followup to the R600 is more or less an old ATI own design as well.

One bad(ish) prodcut doesn't kill these companies and if the rumours are true AMD/ATI seem to have a lot of orders from OEM for the lower end cards cause they are on 65nm and takes less power. If you have a lot of OEM customers you will still make a nice profit, as much as we all love our top of the range gaming cards its the lower OEM range that brings in the money for the company.
 
But what about the nemory bandwidth of the hd2900 surly that has to count for something 64gig gts up against 104 gig hd2900 plus 320 streams up against 96 for gts.

I do not think we are going too see the real value off the hd2900 until we see DX10 games out, then maybe the extra streams and memory bandwidth could tell another story???
 
To answer that question loadsamoney the same kind of people that bought
nvidia cards over the better performing ati cards over the years or for that
matter the people that know ati will give them the driver support they want
and should recieve. HD2900xt is also a better dual setup than 640 gts so
quite a few reasons to buy the ati card. Reasons may also be to do with
what mobo people have in there machines not as clean and cut as you may
think.
 
ashmanuk67 said:
But what about the nemory bandwidth of the hd2900 surly that has to count for something 64gig gts up against 104 gig hd2900 plus 320 streams up against 96 for gts.

I do not think we are going too see the real value off the hd2900 until we see DX10 games out, then maybe the extra streams and memory bandwidth could tell another story???
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Yep, COH dx10 patch showed the 2900xt outperform the 8800gtx however, COH cant be taken as a true representation of dx10 but still...we'll have to wait and see.
 
Yeah thats what i miss and why i want to go back, the guaranteed driver support every month, Nvidia never bothered doing drivers for 6 months because they didnt have to, with no competition from ATi they could do what they liked, not as if everyone who bought GTS/GTX's etc... would return them for refunds and get x1950's as Nvidia would not do drivers.. :D

Theres no point me getting a 2900 as i already have a GTS, and id probably have to get a new PSU to to power the thing, thats why i was waiting on the R650's as they were rumoured to be the GTX killers, and i could have powered them fine being on a 65nm process, sadly its not meant to be, so its either get a G92 October/November, or wait until January to see ATi's next offering which i doubt ill be doing as ATi are just to far behind now, Nvidia already have 2x cards above their 2900, the G92 will make it 3x, fair enough they may get somewhere with their next cards in January but by then Nvidia will have a counter, its catch up for ATi now. :(
 
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plus another thing for these AMD/ATI doomers, the enthusiast market is tiny segment overall, its midrange where everything happens, regardless that conroe is a bit faster than the current athlon X2s there still priced competatively, and theres very little between the two price vs. performance, its only when you overclock the AMD gets left behind, so you really thing AMD are tearing there hair out because intel have a chip thats only faster if you overclock it? what percentage of PC users do you think overclock, 1%, less perhaps? same goes with ATI vs. NVIDIA, as long as ATIs low end and midrange cards are competative (not hard considering 8600 wasn't all that great) then there not gonna care that there X2900 has been a little slower than expected, whoever controls the low/midrange in the GPU market controls the market, its all simple economics at the end of the day where the bulk sales of profitable componants always outweighs the small sale of more 'exotic' products, it certainly know which part of the market i would like to control if i was head of ATI :rolleyes:
 
know which part of the market i would like to control if i was head of ATI :rolleyes:
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Yes but they don't, that the point Amd have a hard time against intel and if intel get into the gpu market even more i would think it would hurt nvidia and Amd, as someone said one products doesnot break a company maybe not but look at sony at moment and the job losses in europe and north america.
 
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