AMD Bristol Ridge A12-9800 on AM4. XBOX One level of gaming performance?

Ferrari100 · 9 Jun 2016 at 10:56

Following an AMD Reddit thread I noticed more leaked specs for upcoming AMD Bristol Ridge APU's.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4n4iw1/bristol_bridge_lineup_specs/

The first range of APU's on AMD's AM4 platform that will also accommodate Zen cores when they release.

Adding these new specs to what are already known for the Bristol Ridge flagship we get:

Name: A12-9800

CPU core = 3800-4200MHz
GPU frequency = 1108MHz
Ram frequency = DDR4 (2400)
Stream processors = 512
Wattage = 65/95w?

Posts in the Reddit thread suggest this the 9800's iGPU should be compared to a 7750 at that speed.
An Xbox One is stated to have a 7790 with DDR3 and ESRAM which should be similar to a GDDR5 7750.

So, along with a rumour a I heard a while ago, it may well be the case that this APU has similar gaming performance to the XBOX One along with more efficient excavator cores.

h4rm0ny · 9 Jun 2016 at 11:49

Seems plausible.

I sincerely hope that Zen isn't limited to 2400 Dual-channel like these are. That's probably my biggest worry with Zen.

Freddie1980 · 9 Jun 2016 at 11:59

Don't get two excited. You have to remember that consoles are able to get a lot more out of a 7790 then a PC can due to all the driver and API overheads, so whilst on paper the specs may look similar performance wise it won't be close at all.
Richard Huddy at AMD spoke about this years ago.

Ferrari100 · 9 Jun 2016 at 12:01

Freddie1980 said:
Don't get two excited. You have to remember that consoles are able to get a lot more out of a 7790 then a PC can due to all the driver and API overheads, so whilst on paper the specs may look similar performance wise it won't be close at all.
Richard Huddy at AMD spoke about this years ago.

Don't forget, These will most likely be updated GCN cores to balance that equation.
;-)

Also you linked to XBOX 360 which is a different machine.

...And when I tested the Richland 6800 it was easily matching the 360 in performance.

Davedree · 9 Jun 2016 at 12:02

between 7730 DDR3 and 7750 gddr5, but with hdmi2
Hevc 256 4k. Good for a 4k htpc but not much use for 1080 gaming.

Ohh amd get rid of this junk and get out the real badboys.

Ferrari100 · 9 Jun 2016 at 12:04

h4rm0ny said:
Seems plausible.

I sincerely hope that Zen isn't limited to 2400 Dual-channel like these are. That's probably my biggest worry with Zen.

I'm sure we will see a bump there. It will be necessary until a distant time when we get HBM memory lodged into the APU.

Ferrari100 · 9 Jun 2016 at 12:05

Davedree said:
between 7730 DDR3 and 7750 gddr5, but with hdmi2
Hevc 256 4k. Good for a 4k htpc but not much use for 1080 gaming.

Ohh amd get rid of this junk and get out the real badboys.

Its better they get these out to shift motherboards before Zen arrives. If priced well there is also a market for them for gamers for a while yet.

h4rm0ny · 9 Jun 2016 at 14:38

Ferrari100 said:
I'm sure we will see a bump there. It will be necessary until a distant time when we get HBM memory lodged into the APU.

I don't have much interest in the graphics side when it comes to CPUs. I always have a discrete GPU chip. My concern is that Zen will only have dual channel memory and limited to 2400.

jigger · 9 Jun 2016 at 20:08

DX12 and Vulkan will use the APU graphics alongside a GPU.

This is a pretty big move in APU performance.

Martini1991 · 9 Jun 2016 at 20:49

Haven't we had 7750 performance touted for like the last 3 APU's

?

d_brennen · 9 Jun 2016 at 21:06

h4rm0ny said:
I don't have much interest in the graphics side when it comes to CPUs. I always have a discrete GPU chip. My concern is that Zen will only have dual channel memory and limited to 2400.

That's not a big deal for a CPU and Zen will support DDR4 >3000 most likely. Zen APU, that's a different story, but like you said, you aren't interested in APUs.

I'm sure there will be quad channel in Opteron guise, not going to hold my breath for HEDT

Sumanji · 4 Sep 2016 at 17:09

Would love to get something like an Alienware Alpha / Zotac Zbox E Series with a meaty APU inside... what are the chances?!

Beren · 4 Sep 2016 at 22:09

Awesome, this could make it possible for me to build an AM4 rig that I can upgrade to full Zen after 12 months. I am only going to be gaming at 1080p and if it means I can go APU then GPU then CPU that would spread the load and get me up and running far faster.

Do we have any predictions on launch dates for these yet?

h4rm0ny · 5 Sep 2016 at 00:17

Beren said:
Awesome, this could make it possible for me to build an AM4 rig that I can upgrade to full Zen after 12 months. I am only going to be gaming at 1080p and if it means I can go APU then GPU then CPU that would spread the load and get me up and running far faster.

Do we have any predictions on launch dates for these yet?

AM4 boards with compatible APUs should be out before the end of the year. Rumoured launch in October.

No promises, but seems probable. I have had the same idea.

Beren · 5 Sep 2016 at 03:28

h4rm0ny said:
AM4 boards with compatible APUs should be out before the end of the year. Rumoured launch in October.

No promises, but seems probable. I have had the same idea.

I hope we can get some commitment to being able to put a full Zen chip into early AM4 boards. I would hate to go AM4 only to find I am on Version 1a and they need a later higher powered version to run Zen...

Orangey · 5 Sep 2016 at 13:38

Beren said:
I hope we can get some commitment to being able to put a full Zen chip into early AM4 boards. I would hate to go AM4 only to find I am on Version 1a and they need a later higher powered version to run Zen...

I think this is very unlikely given history/market forces/physics.

jigger · 5 Sep 2016 at 15:14

Beren said:
I hope we can get some commitment to being able to put a full Zen chip into early AM4 boards. I would hate to go AM4 only to find I am on Version 1a and they need a later higher powered version to run Zen...

One Socket bottom to top.

The AMD AM4 platform provides next gen I/O and peripheral support including PCIe Gen 3, USB 3.1 Gen 2, NVMe, and SATA Express. It also offers higher power efficiency than previous AMD desktop platforms (up to 70 per cent power used compared to AM3+). AMD says that the new HP and Lenovo designs featuring AM4 show the ecosystem's readiness for the upcoming high performance 'Summit Ridge' processors, based upon 'Zen' cores. AMD has a "commitment to support AM4 for years to come".

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/96565-7th-generation-amd-a-series-desktop-pc-systems-start-ship/

kaku · 5 Sep 2016 at 15:45

"next gen" I/O indeed... :rolleyes:

I hope they will have learned from the mistake that was the AM3 board fiasco.

jigger · 5 Sep 2016 at 15:57

You not feeling the IO love.

Orangey · 5 Sep 2016 at 19:06

They will call it a "gen", "rev" etc etc, there will be some that work but most (cheap ones) not.