AMD Carrizo APU Massive Leak – 40W TDP, Excavator Cores, 512 SP and Assorted Benchmarks

[Boomstick777]

Note: Notice very carefully, the tiny but incredibly self-satisfied tag in the corner labeled ‘Rumor’. The sources behind this leak are given and are probably authentic, not to mention very difficult to fake; however this news has not been confirmed either by official or unofficial channels.

The motherload of leaks concerning Carrizo APU has just occurred. The test results of an Engineering Sample of the chip have leaked online and we now know everything from hardware details to assorted benchmarks, including GFX Bench and Sisoft Sandra. Do keep in mind however, that this is an engineering sample so, a lot of things can change between here and the consumer version of Carrizo.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-carrizo-apu-leak-40w-512-sp-benchmarks/#ixzz3Hm2EZyPz

 

[Boomstick777]

Could be Laptop Carrizo here > http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...e0d1e8d8ebd9e9cfbd80b096f396ab9bbdcef3c3&l=en

6CU 384SP SM5.0 1GHz, 1GB 1.25GHz 2048-bit, x16 PCIe 3:00

Can someone work out if this has a 1GB HBM stack? Or 1GB allocated system memory?

All these leaks so close together, my spidey sense is tingling.. Could these be fakes?

 

[Boomstick777]

That looks like a sub 20 Watt SoC, possibly even 10 Watt, the 40 Watt one you posted in OP runs 4 cores @ 2.6Ghz and 512 SP's, they are Laptop.

These are 1.25Ghz, 384 SP's and by the looks of it "6 CU" dual core, the "2048-bit" thing suggest they are HBM.

I don't see why they would be fake, i have a felling they are real



I just ran my 290, got 3700 Mpix/s, compare that with 410 Mpix/s

Lol a long time until APU's are useful for proper gaming then. As soon as they are I will ditch my huge desktop PC and build a mini ITX all in one APU setup. I don't think this will be a reality for another 5 years though

 

[Boomstick777]

I really want AMD to do well to challenge Intel like in the Athlon XP / P4 days, or even better, the Athlon 64 / P4 days.

But this just seems underwhelming still

Yeah but this is the all in one APU range, for what they are they are really really good. We've got a 5800K build and it does everything it needs to.

AMD's next gen CPU range is coming 2016, then AMD should be competitive against Intel again in the high end space.

 

[Boomstick777]

Hopefully the full desktop Carrizo chip will be a bit more beefy. I think 2016 is when we will see APU's really come into their own for proper gaming, new architecture for CPU and GPU plus die shrinks readily available.

Like I said we have this 5800K build that will likely do everything it needs to do forever it's used for web stuff, watching movies, school work, perfect for the budget. For serious gaming you need DGPU atm, but from 2016 onwards I can see this changing for the first time. APU's have a lot of potential. Would love to be able to ditch my huge desktop for a gaming APU build. They will get there eventually.

 

[Boomstick777]

Excavator core is 23% smaller and uses 40% less power than AMD’s previous x86 core

Looks promising, if it uses the new memory compression it might still be a step up from 7850K etc, hopefully after Carrizo the APU's will get HBM.

 

[Boomstick777]

By all accounts you can get a Xeon that's basically a 4790 (non k) for the same price as a 4690k.

Loads of people on Linus' are lapping them up. Ed. 1230 v3

Yep and I had Xeon E3 CPUs for a while - in fact they were first noticed on US home server/VMWare threads and SFF PC forums,and IIRC I was one of the first to suggest on UK forums when one or two retailers started stocking them over here.

Even then half the die area of the chip is the IGP,so if Intel did ditch the IGP it would be probably Core i3 priced. You are paying a big cost for the IGP.

The Xeon's for are like a hidden gem, some don't seem to realize they will run in normal desktop mobo's and go for an i5 instead, losing the extra cache / threads at the same price, for those that don't bother with overclocking they are spot on. Used a Xeon 1230v2 for a while and it was a lil beast, ran cool and used hardly any power. The latest v3's are even better.

A non-overclockers dream

 

[Boomstick777]

I wonder if these chips will actually be any good, and warrant purchase, unlike the current Kaveri mess...

I don't want to be spending >£135 on the "good" APU AMD... Your CPU performance is mediocre at best, and the GPU performance isn't much better than your last generation offerings.
Would maybe be good if they were readily available in the mobile sector, but I've not seen too much more than press releases and a few lackluster HP offerings...

Sort your life out AMD, we need more than promises and marketing.

The Kaveri chips aren't bad, just priced to close to i3 / i5 in relation to their performance.

As Carrizo is looking like it's still going to be on 28nm, it's so mature at this point that hopefully they won't be to pricey.

Launching mid 2015 is a worry though, AMD might just miss their opportunity for big sales as Broadwell / Skylake could be out by then with better IGPU VS Haswell and more CPU performance which is already miles ahead of AMD, making Carrizo look less appealing.

 

[Boomstick777]

AMD: Carrizo APU targets mobile platform only, Kaveri to power Desktop side till 2016

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-carrizo-apu-targetting-mobile-kaveri-power-desktop-side-2016/#ixzz3KSpnai7Q

I cannot confirm whether this is authentic or not although this is in all probability legit since its based of ISSCC 2015. Basically, the piece states once again that Carrizo APU has been designed specifically for mobility platforms and wont be appearing on the desktop APU socket like Kaveri till 2016.

 

[Boomstick777]

I do sometimes wonder what AMD are playing at. Delay Delay Delay Delay Delay Delay Delay Delay and now that its way too late we can release it.

2016, they might as well not bother if its going to be that late.

I know they are trying to break into the Mobile market, but if they take even 1% of Intel's share Intel will just give their CPU's to OEM vendors for free to push AMD out.

To put all your resource into a singular section of the market that is dominated by someone who can afford to give their products away just to hold that domination is idiotic.

+1

Even if the products are great, launching to late will make them look old hat in comparison to Intel's latest.

I think we just have to accept that at least for next year or two AMD are just holding the value alternative to Intel / Nvidia, which is not a bad thing.

Just disappointing to those of us who want to see AMD doing better and holding a more dominant market share. The glory days of AMD CPU's are well and truly gone, old FX chips and not even refreshing the APU desktop line does seem like a really odd strategy, but if they can't command money in those segments I guess there is no point for them to try atm. Would love to see AMD back as the performance leader..

Hopefully 2016 will see some good products, I'm not holding my breath though. Intel's current stuff is great and by 2016 god knows how good their CPU's and integrated graphics will be. If Intel can rival AMD's APU graphics then it's difficult to see what part of the market AMD can target, other than the 'value alternative'.

They have got some decent guys at AMD though, maybe 2016 will be the big comeback they need, but will it be to late by then..

 

[Boomstick777]

The 'Value alternative' does not work, thats what AMD have been doing for the past 10 years, their market share in CPU / APU Vendor OEM's is about 5% and falling.

Enthusiast level retail CPU's is about 90% Intel / 10% AMD

Look at GPU's, AMD had GPU equality with Nvidia until Maxwell, during that time GPU share was around 60% Nvidia / 40% AMD. Post Maxwell AMD just have the 'Value alternative' within Months its gone 75% Nvidia / 25% AMD, and rapidly heading 90% / 10% share.

AMD have to match Nvidia on efficiency, performance and then also beat them on price just to maintain a reasonable market share.

They have to do pretty much the same with Intel to avoid getting pushed out completely.

Obviously it doesn't work, that was the point of my post. To take significant market share AMD need to be a leader again, the flagship product gives a positive rainbow effect over other products in a company's range, in this case CPU / APU stuff. AMD do not have a flagship atm, and are way behind their competitors.

The GPU space AMD is still doing ok, the 290X and 290 are still decently competitive on performance and price. The R9 295X2 acts as a performance flagship for AMD, and soon AMD will launch new GPU's that will compete for the single GPU crown again.. They need something like this is the CPU space.

Hopefully 2016 can change this, but will it be to late to take the lead again.. Intel will also have new products..

 

[Boomstick777]

@ bru:

It's more the brand recognition AMD currently has, a lot of peeps consider AMD the 'value' option VS Intel / Nvidia. To really shake that off they would need to be a performance leader again. FX desktop CPU and APU lines could really do with a refresh..

 

[Boomstick777]

AMD’s ‘Carrizo’ processor may never make it to desktop computers

The new wiring line of AMD’s “Carrizo” APUs helps to reduce power consumption of the chip, but does not allow it to run on high frequencies and thus address the market of high-performance desktops, reports PC Watch web-site citing explanations by AMD.

KitGuru Says: First AMD decided to effectively withdraw from the market of high-end desktop microprocessors. The FX processors AMD sells now were introduced two years ago and are morally outdated. Now the company plans to withdraw from the market of mainstream desktop chips. What’s next?

http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/a...essor-may-never-make-it-to-desktop-computers/

 

[Boomstick777]

Ignoring intel for a sec. I wonder whether part of their problem is that they have too many overlapping products that seem to service the same end of the market - budget desktop - currently out. Abundant stocks of APU's richland and kaveri around? Can throw in cheaper FX quads into the same space. Introducing another model line would flood the market, compete against itself, reduce any demand of existing stock, distributers/retailers/oems not too keen. So just focus on the area that oem's are going to be interested in, low power mobile/soc's.

Whatever the reason, if true 2015 will be a long boring year for AMD fans wanting something new. Looks like the plan may be to ride 2015 out with current stock and possibly tweaks of existing architecture 'Kaveri' 'Piledriver' and replace everything top to bottom in 2016 with the new architecture 'Zen' 'K12'.

Carrizo being targeted for a 'low power' not 'high clock' part makes sense in it not being brought to desktop. I still think we may see AMD launch new APU parts for desktop, but maybe they will just be tweaked Kaveri over Carrizo. A yawn fest for sure. 2016 is a long way away..

 

[Boomstick777]

'Withdrawing from the mainstream desktop market' was a slightly sensationalist editors note.

Not really, AMD haven't released a true desktop CPU successor to the FX chips since 2012, we're now going into 2015, so it isn't sensationalist to say AMD have withdrawn from the desktop market. They have so it's a fact. We're looking at 2016 for something new from AMD. Four years...

If the desktop APU lines don't get a new arch in 2015 (Carrizo), then AMD have withdrawn there as well. They have to do what's financially viable for them as a company, doesn't mean we have to like it.

 

[Boomstick777]

Personally, I think the APUs are just about the most interesting development in the CPU world. Elite performance, no, but it's pushing the boundaries in other respects.

They only really make sense if HSA actually takes off, though.

Agreed, in a few years they may well be good enough to no longer need a DGPU for more demanding games, and that's when sales and interest should really spark. There is def a market in APU's I just don't feel current ones are good enough to capture the gamers, once they are I think they will be extremely popular with gamers and Overclockers.

 

[Boomstick777]

Carrizo will feature the latest GCN graphics while featuring "Excavator" CPU cores, DDR3/DDR4 memory support

DDR4???

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg4MzU

 

[Boomstick777]

AMD Carrizo not coming to desktop.

Following up on November's official reveal, AMD shared some new details about its upcoming Carrizo and Carrizo-L APUs at the Consumer Electronics Show this week. Among the new info: AMD has no plans to offer Carrizo as a socketed chip for desktop PCs.

http://techreport.com/news/27652/amd-carrizo-will-face-off-with-broadwell-u-wont-land-in-desktops

 

[Boomstick777]

I'm not sure thats news, Tech Report, Carrizo is a mobile part, power ranging from 2.5 Watts to 28 Watts.

It's like saying "The Intel Core i3-380M will not be coming to Desktop" well derp, no.

You have misunderstood humbug. AMD's Kaveri was an architecture used in notebooks and desktops, the new gen architecture Carrizo won't be coming to desktop. So desktop will not utilize the arch at all, not just a specified chip like your i3-380M example, but will not get any chips based on Carrizo architecture. This could be a disappointing to those wanting a desktop APU upgrade this year. Although that user base is obviously small if it makes sense for AMD not to launch any new chips for it, so I doubt no one will care to much. 2016 will hopefully see new architecture in both AMD desktop CPU and APU, god knows it needs it.

AMD 'Kaveri' was used in Notebook / desktops.

AMD 'Carrizo' will just be used in Notebooks.

 

[Boomstick777]

Carrizo is not the name of the architecture, Kaveri is also not the name of its architecture, Neiver is Mullins which is the same architecture.

Those names are code Names for the CPU branch, Kaveri = Desktop, Mullins = Mobile. Vishera = FX83##/63##/43## Desktop.
Kaveri was never used in Mobile.

Kaveri is used in mobile > http://www.anandtech.com/show/8119/amd-launches-mobile-kaveri-apus

Also 'Kaveri' is the name given for the APU architecture. 'Steamroller' is the CPU part, GCN is the GPU part. 'Kaveri' is the name given to that packaged APU architecture.

'Carrizo' is given to the next APU architecture. 'Excavator' is the CPU part, GCN is the GPU part. 'Carrizo' is the name given to that packaged APU architecture. According to that site 'Carrizo' will only be used in mobile and not in desktop.

A bit of a shame if Carrizo is not released for desktop TBH. The CPU not only will have improved single threaded IPC(which Excavator is mean to bring),but more importantly the IGP is based on the latest GCN version,meaning much better tessellation performance and also the texture compression technology seen in AMD Tonga.

+1, 2016 is a long time to wait for something new, at least a new APU would have given something to AMD users this year, obviously didn't make financial sense to do so. I guess we could see a Kaveri refresh in on desktop. AMD A10 7870K or something