AMD challenges Nvidia

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AMD/ATI are bi-winners.

 

[gareth170]

so amd cards safety protects are done by the hardware?

 

[kmufc77]

Interesting read this,i wonder if this will make Nvdia have to reword :

*The most powerful DirectX 11 graphics card ever built*

I mean legally will they have to prove this claim now that AMD have challenged them to basically prove this?

I just like to say Both cards are superb

 

[bhavv]

Well, judging by DX11 performance, it is more powerful than the 6990 when tessellation is used, so it can be considered the most powerful DX11 card ever built. All they have to do to prove that is use any DX11 bench.

The 6990 however is faster in games which dont use tessellation, which is the vast majority.

 

[An Exception]

It's not actually faster in games that use tessellation. It's only faster in Heaven with 'extreme' tessellation turned on, which we already know isn't a realistic amount of tessellation as far as games go.

 

[layte]

Have any sites done some tests with HAWX2? I know that had AMD up in arms recently due to the tessellation load. Other DX11 tests would be worthwhile comparison to decide the winner, given that both cards eat up legacy DX9 stuff without breaking a sweat.

I don't know why you lot are getting so worked up over this. Both the 590 and 6990 are stupid cards with huge glaring faults (power, heat, noise, explosions. Take your pick). Unlike older dual GPU boards like the 4870X2 offer no financial benefit. In fact you can get much better performance by purchasing two separate cards for less money. Madness

Anyway, I'll sit here enjoying my almost a year old setup that comfortably beats this latest round dual GPU cards and continue to watch the unfolding Red vs Green action.

 

[tommybhoy]

very interesting, do you have a source for this, as the last i read was that was the cards were overclocking fine and it was covered by the warranty

Sure, straight from Nvidias tech support in Santa Clara, California:

Source

how would they know that you overclocked your card? if the card burns you rma it and there is no way any company would ever deny you a replacement.

Normally they wouldn't, but if it does go boom, and you do this to it:

Then I think they will know.

Well, judging by DX11 performance, it is more powerful than the 6990 when tessellation is used, so it can be considered the most powerful DX11 card ever built. All they have to do to prove that is use any DX11 bench.

DX11 isn't just tessellation, it also has compute shaders and multi-threading.

From 3DMark 11 description:
'Designed for testing DirectX 11 hardware running on Windows 7 and Windows Vista the benchmark includes six all new benchmark tests that make extensive use of all the new features in DirectX 11 including tessellation, compute shaders and multi-threading.

After running the tests 3DMark gives your system a score with larger numbers indicating better performance. Trusted by gamers worldwide to give accurate and unbiased results, 3DMark 11 is the best way to test DirectX 11 under game-like loads.'

 

[jorzeh]

BOOMHEADSHOT!

Wait... This isn't the PC games thread..

 

[Mario]

AMD/ATI are bi-winners.

oh dear.... this forum just went from bad to worst LOL

cant see winner here,even if there any,its completely pointless cards,both - unless you like spending money just for your e-penis
6990 - loud as my lawnmower,and you need spent another 100+ for good WC,so its nowhere near better than 590,no even price
590 - until they fix those issues and release proper driver,not beta,i will have single gpu card that will be near or even surpass those 2 in performance.

drunkenmaster - i like read your posts,but sometimes (more than sometimes ) you way of the charts to support amd,i guess its not secret

The problem is, AMD didn't release the 6970 and claim it to be the worlds fastest graphics card. AMD did it for the 5870, accurate, the 5970 accurate, the 6990, accurate.

Nvidia did it for the 480gtx, inaccurate, fastest gpu, fastest card, not close(5970 was long since out). 580gtx, inaccurate, still the 5970, by a still large gap, 590gtx, inaccurate, not the fastest gpu OR card.

We all know about 6970.. 5870 accurate? 6990 accurate?
580 inaccurate?570 inaccurate?
580 fastest single gpu card atm,while 6990=590

 

[jorzeh]

Have any sites done some tests with HAWX2? I know that had AMD up in arms recently due to the tessellation load. Other DX11 tests would be worthwhile comparison to decide the winner, given that both cards eat up legacy DX9 stuff without breaking a sweat.

I don't know why you lot are getting so worked up over this. Both the 590 and 6990 are stupid cards with huge glaring faults (power, heat, noise, explosions. Take your pick). Unlike older dual GPU boards like the 4870X2 offer no financial benefit. In fact you can get much better performance by purchasing two separate cards for less money. Madness

Anyway, I'll sit here enjoying my almost a year old setup that comfortably beats this latest round dual GPU cards and continue to watch the unfolding Red vs Green action.

Basically the 4870x2 and the 295 are legendary worthy cards, They are how duel GPU cards Should be, I think we will have to wait till 3rd gen chips are out to see this level of build again, But DX12 will be launching time thease cards hit and the system will rince and repeat.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Basically the 4870x2 and the 295 are legendary worthy cards, They are how duel GPU cards Should be, I think we will have to wait till 3rd gen chips are out to see this level of build again, But DX12 will be launching time thease cards hit and the system will rince and repeat.

Do these company's have some kind of an agreement that says we will do this to make you money or look better just to make sure there next gen can do well with a little negotitation. If you look at it theres so many ups and downs in the gpu market but there is still 2 good company's. its a little like the scottish football league that has 2 big players and generates a lot of money because of the rivalry. The league is small these days but the teams are still in the top 10 biggest teams in the workd

 

[jorzeh]

Do these company's have some kind of an agreement that says we will do this to make you money or look better just to make sure there next gen can do well with a little negotitation. If you look at it theres so many ups and downs in the gpu market but there is still 2 good company's.

I'm not saying they are bad companys, But i agree sometimes thease companys feel like they have a Scratch each others back Feel, So they both make money or something, I don't want to say it but are they in each others pockets or something.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I'm not saying they are bad companys, But i agree sometimes thease companys feel like they have a Scratch each others back Feel, So they both make money or something, I don't want to say it but are they in each others pockets or something.

It really does look that way as why else would amd make the 6990 with a really stupid cooler as with a good cooler the 6990 makes the gtx590 is a non existant card. A good cooling solution costs little so they must have some kind of agrrement or they are stupid. Could nvidia even be paying amd for this? The only reason i say this is amd have showed if they were using the same watts as nv they would win but choose not to. They have shown at the top end graphics card they are the fastest though.

 

[Rroff]

It really does look that way as why else would amd make the 6990 with a really stupid cooler as with a good cooler the 6990 makes the gtx590 is a non existant card. A good cooling solution costs little so they must have some kind of agrrement or they are stupid. Could nvidia even be paying amd for this? The only reason i say this is amd have showed if they were using the same watts as nv they would win but choose not to.

Or they just bet on nVidia producing something impossibly hot and loud and lost.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Or they just bet on nVidia producing something impossibly hot and loud and lost.

AMD did win 6990 v gtx590. If i remember we all thought a fermi dual card was impossible. It was not impossible as we all know now but they could not beat the 6990 and i think thats why nv never bothered to try against the 5970 as at that time the power usage would have been much worse. Maybe they decided to help each other as business is business.

 

[TerryH]

Thank you for drunkenmaster (#40) for providing best post in thread.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Thank you for drunkenmaster (#40) for providing best post in thread.

Read more threads lol he usually does provide the best posts. He is a little amd biased but his info is usually pretty good.