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AMD Delays Introduction of Next-Generation ATI R700 Graphics Chip

If they can get the dual RV670 card to behave like a single GPU and not a crossfire variant it won't matter.
 
It will though, seeing as crossfire 3870's are not hugely faster than anything else out there. As soon as the NV 9800's hit, the RV670 tech just won't keep up unless you go for a 4 card Crossfire-X setup... and thats stupid money.
 
O ffs are AMD hellbent on running Ati into the ground, why in gods name did they merge if AMD didn't have the financial capital to fund the gfx department. :rolleyes:
 
WTF, nice one. Now nvidia have 2 choices:
1) Do the same as AMD/ATI as they own the market atm and can afford to wait and develop an all new card.
2) Continue making new graphics cards, but keep the price high as AMD/ATI aint giving any competition .

Either way we are screwed.
 
jaykay said:
WTF, nice one. Now nvidia have 2 choices:
1) Do the same as AMD/ATI as they own the market atm and can afford to wait and develop an all new card.
2) Continue making new graphics cards, but keep the price high as AMD/ATI aint giving any competition .

Either way we are screwed.
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But they aren't really doing that are they?
All prices on their cards are now much lower than a year ago and the new cards are amazing value. Of course they're in a great position, but they still need to develop new cheap tech, or the games simply can't run on anything.
 
So for a full year ahead (graphics card wise) nVidia will rule the roost? As AMD/ATI are going to focus on other areas instead and just keep current tech for another year. From a consumer point of view, it seems like a bad idea. But if it saves them money (which I guess they need) then they have to do it???
 
Talrinys said:
But they aren't really doing that are they?
All prices on their cards are now much lower than a year ago and the new cards are amazing value. Of course they're in a great position, but they still need to develop new cheap tech, or the games simply can't run on anything.
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Depends on how much nvidia want to capitalise on this opportunity. They have quite a lot of power to dictate prices. If they continue to make better and better graphics cards this year. ATI would have nothing apart from 2x3870 joined together.
 
At least they will spend the year improving the drivers and game optimizations of the 3870 so maybe the card end up faster than the 8800GTS 512MB ;)

Not very good business buying ATI in the end, we are all loosing with Nvidia ruling the high end market on his own!!!
 
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Nobody knows how fast the 9800-series of cards is going to be, other than a few select people in Nvidia's labs and probably a few developers. And they won't be telling for a good four months' time.

However, we can benchmark Crossfire-X, thus getting an idea of how fast ATI's next offering is going to be.

However, unless the 9800 is an order of magnitude faster than the current G92/80 hardware, it's not going to have an enormous impact on the market because Crysis will still run like a dog, and that will be the hardest game to run out there for at least another year.

So in the grand scheme of things, yes, ATI have delayed, but it won't make a blind bit of difference to the technical landscape as the gaming market is pretty flat (at this point or for another few months anyway): most benchmarks I've seen have Crysis as the only game that doesn't give 'acceptable' FPS even with the most expensive hardware. This will be the case for the next generation of games: it seems a lot are using the UT3 engine which runs like a dream on pretty much all high-end stuff. So the marketing bods at both companies don't have much to worry about (slight overstatement, but hey).

If, however, their stuff didn't run well on the Source/Doom3/UT3 engines, they'd be scrambling like anything to get their new stuff out the door.

On the flip side, AMD cannot afford another 2900XT. If this delay means that their new hardware is a 9700Pro, I'm happy to wait. Yorkfield might actually be out by then. ;)
 
give them a year, i reckon its worth the wait if they get it right *** x1800 was rushed out and as was 2900 so lets take stock and slow down research to get it right
 
SS-89 said:
O ffs are AMD hellbent on running Ati into the ground, why in gods name did they merge if AMD didn't have the financial capital to fund the gfx department. :rolleyes:
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There is more money to be made in the low end of the performance spectrum. Makes more sense to concentrate on things like onboard gfx and chipsets rather than enthusiast parts
 
looks like my prediction on r700 being crap is also going to turn out to be true, seeing as how it will have to compete with nvidias 10th generation parts if r700 is scheduled for 2009.
 
Defcon5 said:
There is more money to be made in the low end of the performance spectrum. Makes more sense to concentrate on things like onboard gfx and chipsets rather than enthusiast parts
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The problem is, you tend to get sales of one off the back of the other. I.e, without a high-performing enthusiast part dominating the media, and benchmarking "propaganda", people tend to steer clear of the "lesser" products, as they can only be deemed as worse.

Its unfortunately a trend in purchasing habits, that people will buy from the company doing the best "at the top", even if they are only buying low-end mainstream stuff.
 
paradigm said:
The problem is, you tend to get sales of one off the back of the other. I.e, without a high-performing enthusiast part dominating the media, and benchmarking "propaganda", people tend to steer clear of the "lesser" products, as they can only be deemed as worse.

Its unfortunately a trend in purchasing habits, that people will buy from the company doing the best "at the top", even if they are only buying low-end mainstream stuff.
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thing is in this case the 3870 is slower than nvidias rival the 8800gt. so it can;t be said its just propaganda.

usually when a high end card is a top performer its like having a solid foundation and you can then "chop bits off" to make a main stream product which generally does perform well.

e.g: if the 8800gtx was crap and slower than a 2900xt, then suffice to say a 8800gts would have been slower than the 2900pro.

something on those lines.
 
In my opinion, I think we will be granted with some fantastic products from AMD/ATI in the future and I am extremely optimistic about where AMD/ATI will be in the forth coming years. :)
 
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