well this is wrong again becasue 8320/8350 are compared with an i5 and the i5 beats it hands down and is lower clocked so i say again stop thinking clock speed is the key to performance.
Thats the last time I'm replying...
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well this is wrong again becasue 8320/8350 are compared with an i5 and the i5 beats it hands down and is lower clocked so i say again stop thinking clock speed is the key to performance.
Thats the last time I'm replying...
Where did I say that clock speed was the key to performance? Please quote it for me because I don't recall saying any such thing.
As for the I5 being able to beat a 8320/50? Not going there. I'm fully aware of what the 83X0 are capable of.
Here, let me enlighten the people that think AMD are trying to compete with Intel and win back the performance crown.
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...utive-quarterly-profit-on-xbox-one-ps4-sales/
Console CPU in "Makes AMD money" shocker.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/201...nings2c-how-will-amd-stay-profitable-in-2014/
Overall, the outlook for AMD in 2014 is fairly opaque because we don’t know how well Kaveri will do, because we don’t know how far along HSA is coming. AMD needs to harness HSA and Mantle to their maximum potential in order to be able to squeeze out profitability from the full year of 2014.
So AMD are working on two things there. Mantle and HSA. If you don't know what HSA is then please take some time to read about it and what it does. It enables hardware to talk directly, thus, speeding up the software that runs on it.
What does this mean? it means that when AMD get it running it will enable people to play good PC games on cheap hardware.
Please note the important bit there - cheap hardware.
Not stupid CPUs that cost a fortune running on tiny dies.
Piledriver is still selling, whether people here like it or not. It's a half decent money spinner for AMD. Why? because they haven't had to keep dumping money into it to make it faster and better. They're actually perfectly happy with it and will continue bashing it out all the time it sells.
And if you still don't get it.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/AMD-will-not-chase-Intel-making-needlessly-powerful-CPUs
OK? all heard that now?
As for Bulldozer? Piledriver?
What AMD should have done was what they have done in their GPU sector, make sure that the CPUs had the support they needed at launch. Look at the Winzip/compression scores. They were right up there with the I7s.
What AMD should have done was spent more time and money getting game devs on board, like they have done with Gaming Evolved for their GPUs. I've seen games where 7970 CFX is faster than a pair of Titans.
But seriously, thinking that AMD are competing and losing all the time is absolutely hilarious. It just goes to show how terribly uneducated these people are who keep making these wild claims.
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...utive-quarterly-profit-on-xbox-one-ps4-sales/
Console CPU in "Makes AMD money" shocker.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/201...nings2c-how-will-amd-stay-profitable-in-2014/
Overall, the outlook for AMD in 2014 is fairly opaque because we don’t know how well Kaveri will do, because we don’t know how far along HSA is coming. AMD needs to harness HSA and Mantle to their maximum potential in order to be able to squeeze out profitability from the full year of 2014.
So AMD are working on two things there. Mantle and HSA. If you don't know what HSA is then please take some time to read about it and what it does. It enables hardware to talk directly, thus, speeding up the software that runs on it.
What does this mean? it means that when AMD get it running it will enable people to play good PC games on cheap hardware.
Please note the important bit there - cheap hardware.
Not stupid CPUs that cost a fortune running on tiny dies.
Piledriver is still selling, whether people here like it or not. It's a half decent money spinner for AMD. Why? because they haven't had to keep dumping money into it to make it faster and better. They're actually perfectly happy with it and will continue bashing it out all the time it sells.
And if you still don't get it.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/AMD-will-not-chase-Intel-making-needlessly-powerful-CPUs
OK? all heard that now?
As for Bulldozer? Piledriver?
What AMD should have done was what they have done in their GPU sector, make sure that the CPUs had the support they needed at launch. Look at the Winzip/compression scores. They were right up there with the I7s.
What AMD should have done was spent more time and money getting game devs on board, like they have done with Gaming Evolved for their GPUs. I've seen games where 7970 CFX is faster than a pair of Titans.
But seriously, thinking that AMD are competing and losing all the time is absolutely hilarious. It just goes to show how terribly uneducated these people are who keep making these wild claims.
That last statement just reinforces my point, The 295X2 is not unreliable or inefficient.
It uses more power than the Titan-Z because its a more powerful GPU, it has higher DP compute performance, more ROP's and a Wider Bus. it also has two Water Pumps that need powering.
The Titan-Z is not a more efficient if its slower and has less hardware to power.
A VW Golf GTI is more efficient than a Porsche, the reason why is obvious.
As for it being 'unreliable' its just a blanket statement completely unfounded.
Both these things are based on an untrue perception that Nvidia are the Apple of GPU's while AMD GPU's are its opposite (as you put it).
The only way that idea holds truth is in Nvidia GPU's; like Apple products are locked up so that you can't make any real adjustments to them, they are idiot proof, its impossible to damage them by overclocking because they don't really overclock, where as AMD GPU's are completely unlocked.
The other way Nvidia are like Apple is that they are way over priced.
Its a false perception about quality. when in fact....
AMD are plain better, and yet its Nvidia who out sell AMD simply through Brand power created through PR and advertising.
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you're missing the point completely, nobody argues that Intel isn't the best right now, but watch out because AMD could easily bounce back.
they will know far more about what Intel are up to than us.....it therefore doesn't matter how powerful the next Intel processor is, because their brief will be ``our next entry level cpu has to the same as Skylake or 5% less powerful``.
because only a complete idiot will let AMD carry on releasing rubbishy gaming cpus, so expect the tide to turn soon, if not then AMD are wasting their time carrying on..which is it?........wait and see
but to be honest, maybe AMD doesn't have enough R&D investment set aside to compete with intel......they're probably ploughing too much money into GPUs instead.
but buying DDR 4 next year isn't smart, because it wont reach maximum grunt till 2016, esp your RAM...........so what are you gonna do, buy DDR 4 next year and upgrade again in 2016?
Mal , have they ever bounced back ?
Release a processor 5% of off skylake ? LOL
Mate AMD are still trying to complete with a 6 year old i7 920 in iirc, the only way for them to attempt to compete was to chuck like 8 cores to buff them up. They'll do it again with a 12core probably ........ They ain't got anything else to throw sad to say.
Lmao
....... Hard
Release a processor 5% of off skylake ? LOL
Mate AMD are still trying to complete with a 6 year old i7 920 in iirc, the only way for them to attempt to compete was to chuck like 8 cores to buff them up. They'll do it again with a 12core probably ........ They ain't got anything else to throw sad to say.
Lmao
....... Hardrubbish, the 295x2 is very efficient.......it's the Devil 13 that isn't, the clue of course is it has to be Watercooled.
the Titan looks better yes, but that's just about it.
Mal , have they ever bounced back ?
Release a processor 5% of off skylake ? LOL
Mate AMD are still trying to complete with a 6 year old i7 920 in iirc, the only way for them to attempt to compete was to chuck like 8 cores to buff them up. They'll do it again with a 12core probably ........ They ain't got anything else to throw sad to say.
Lmao
oh i realise this, i'm saying just be careful that's all
Competition is very good to the consumer. I want this, I want the best options to me that's all I care about. It will make intel have to release standard 6-8 core desktop processors mainstream instead of the incremental 10% caped 4 core were used to. With no competition they don't have to push out much just sell what's the best at the time.
This is why x99 has these processor speeds, they don't need to make them faster, now that 3.5ghz haswell e is easily fast enough to blow everything out of the water. They've already put it on a premium platform and they'll charge for it too. If there was any competition then maybe we would see higher clocked cores.
AMD don't need to bounce back from anything. The desktop CPU war is over, that's all.
There are far more ways to make money than to sell ridiculous CPUs to "Enthusiasts".
It's not enthusiasts who do this, it's OEMs. You need a good few years of superior performance / power consumption for OEMs to bother with your products. Because changing vendors is costly for them.
However enthusiasts don't usually do this. There are always the few fanboys buying only AMD or intel but most enthusiasts will buy the fastest thing in their price range.
I used to have an Athlon 64 3400+ back in the day. Why? Because it was pretty much the best thing available. I skipped over the core 2 and phenom lines (not that I should have bought AMD there either, phenom 1 was terrible) however I then bought a first gen i7 because again it was pretty much the best thing available. After that I moved to a 3930K because again, it was pretty much the best thing available. And after this you should already guess why I'm going to be getting a 5960X.
And that's how most of the high end enthusiasts do their tech purchases. What's important is pure performance. Not the brand and usually not price/performance. And an even better example of a completely unbiased market is the benching market. They're small but there's zero brand bias mixed in with the purchases. If intel get's the job done people will buy intel. And people have bought intel ever since Phenom II x4s on LN2 didn't cut it anymore. It's been an intel game due to pure performance ever since the 980X came out.
Also something you have to realize is that these high end chips we're talking about aren't just for enthusiasts. They're for data center / HPC / workstation / server markets as well. And those markets have unbelievably high margins. Something AMD would definitely want. The only reason they're not going after those markets at the moment is that they don't have good enough IP to do so. Their construction cores (big cores) aren't up to the task. If the next K12 companion x86 core is going to be up to the task you can be 100% sure that AMD will be going after those server margins.
It's a super lucrative market. But here's the thing, price in that market is secondary. Performance and power consumption come first. Meaning that you're going to win based on how advanced your technology is. And pricing lower is barely going to help you since the customers are willing to pay huge bucks anyway and upkeep and maintenance will almost be the bigger deal either way. So you have to have the technology edge in that market. And that's what AMD doesn't have. And that's why their server/HPC/workstation marketshare plummeted to 3%.
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It's quite easy really, you're after the best performance but are willing to settle for something maybe 5 to 10% less, to save a few quid............. but piledriver is too far off, it's 50% slower and this just about sais it all.
``It's a super lucrative market. But here's the thing, price in that market is secondary. Performance and power consumption come first.``..uum no, otherwise you'd buy Titan Z, price is important too, i always study the prices.
members always mention prices on the graphics card section... ``bang for buck``, because it's definitely not a market where people buy the most expensive gear..many people are after bargains.
the main components are usually close to top price, because you have little choice here, but you save your money on PSUs... the case.... the fans....the coolers etc, you can save loads if you know where to look
``It's a super lucrative market. But here's the thing, price in that market is secondary. Performance and power consumption come first.``..uum no, otherwise you'd buy Titan Z, price is important too, i always study the prices.
members always mention prices on the graphics card section... ``bang for buck``, because it's definitely not a market where people buy the most expensive gear..many people are after bargains.
the main components are usually close to top price, because you have little choice here, but you save your money on PSUs... the case.... the fans....the coolers etc, you can save loads if you know where to look
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yea that's true
If someone were to invest into Haswell-E, buy 16/32GB of ddr4 - why would they 'have' to upgrade to faster DDR4 once it's available?
Nothing would force them to. Someone could upgrade to Haswell-E, ddr4 and enjoy using it for 4-5 years, just like I'm currently doing with my 920/x58/ddr3 from 2008.
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I want to know where this conveyor belt that feeds ignorant shallow minded folk onto this forum is so it can be dismantled.
The comments get ingrained into these people that lack intelligence, its regurgitated especially when there's chance for an AMD vs Intel thread.
The worrying thing is that most posters are that young they would not know the real reason for clock speed before multi-threading/multi-core came along.
The comments get ingrained into these people that lack intelligence, its regurgitated especially when there's chance for an AMD vs Intel thread.
The worrying thing is that most posters are that young they would not know the real reason for clock speed before multi-threading/multi-core came along.
They would any way. Buying into an immature technology usually means it's hardly any faster than the technology before it. DDR4 speeds at launch in mhz are no faster than DDR3, only with crap timings. Whether or not it will actually make a difference remains to be seen. DDR2 signed off at 1066mhz IIRC. DDR3 is signing off at near on 3000mhz. And I doubt we've seen the end of DDR3 yet either.
Triple channel, quad channel, 1600-3000mhz, none of those radically sounding things have made much difference, especially to the gamer.
I would expect Haswell E to be around for a long, long time now. I would also expect (insert large dose of sodium chloride here) Intel to release a 12 core, possibly a 20 core CPU into it without changing again (man can hope eh?) so expect it to change a lot in its 4 year lifetime.
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Agreed, Haswell -E should have a long run ahead, some are saying that these first chips are actually 12 cores with 4/6 cores disabled. So a more than 8 core chip is very possible, probably on 14nm, maybe with Broadwell -E. Personally would prefer a high clocking 8 core part. Got a feeling the 5960X won't be a great clocker, although it could surprise us. Not long until we find out now..
They are chips with cores disabled. They're Xeons, with unlocked multis.
Mind you, there are plenty of 8 core socket 2011 chips so it's a shame they never released any unlocked CPUs for that.
At least the 5960x is a big die and is soldered. That will help a little. Thing is though, many Haswell CPUs won't clock regardless of heat or voltage.
yea and that's scary.
i think i might have made a big mistake here, i brought too quickly, i should have got:- ............Intel 4820K 3.70GHz (Ivybridge-E) Socket LGA2011
i've got to test my rig soon, because all these posts are beginning to spook me