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AMD Details Asynchronous Shaders In DirectX 12, Promises Performance Gains

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AMD Details Asynchronous Shaders In DirectX 12, Promises Performance Gains

Asynchronous Shaders are something that should have arrived a long time ago, because all we've been doing is throwing more power at the problem, rather than using that power more efficiently.

AMD has been working closely with Microsoft on the upcoming DirectX 12 API, and it likes to show off once in a while how well its graphics cards will support some of those features. For example, there are the so-called "Asynchronous Shaders," which are a different way of handling task queues than was possible in older graphics APIs and is potentially much more efficient.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-dx12-asynchronous-shaders-gcn,28844.html
 
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Works on PS4, cool !

Thought this would be something only Xbox One would take advantage with DirectX 12.

That's good to know that PS4 can use this as well.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Fact remains Matt AMD are the masters of tech that gets pretty much zero use

Mantle - how many titles?
TrueAudio - How many titles
ASS (Asynchronus Shaders Shizzles) - How many titles?
TressFX - how many titles?
Freesync - how many monitors now?

They cant even release Xfire profiles on a reliable schedule, yet they are willing to sell a card like the 295x2 thats gimped in many titles due to zero support of its xfire feature.

Sorry Matt but im afraid AMD have lost a lot of credibility with people like me, i consider myself an AMD fan, i prefer(ed) their tech over others where possible, but unfortunately for the past few years i see increasingly little reason to pickup their tech over other manufactures.

AMD cannot compete on the CPU front against intel, thats plainly obviously, they have lost monstrous amounts of market share against Nvidia.

Why would i trust my money in a company that may not even be around to offer support on its products before their life span ends?

This isnt a dig at you Matt at all, i understand your hands are tied, but AMD are losing the respect of their consumers on a daily basis now.
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You can say the same of Nvidia, how many games utilise physx, even in some of the ones that do the most you get is some extra smoke etc.

At least AMD are still pioneering, they are a smaller company working with a smaller budget. Yet they still lead the way in a lot of areas. For example it was Mantle which pressured Microsoft to get a move on with DirectX 12.

Credit where it's due, AMD are doing the best they can. I think the frustration comes from wanting them to do better, but they are limited in resources in comparison to the competition. I think they do great with what they have, great vision. I do agree that their execution can be woeful, but that makes me like them more tbh.

New AMD cards will be out soon, and hopefully people lay off them a bit. No need to kick them while they are down..
 
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Telecaster said:
How do you reliably cool a 300w APU that is presumably going to be in mass produced machines?
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If we see them , the high end 'Gaming' APU would likely ship with an AIO cooler.

200W - 300W for a gaming capable APU system would still be far lower watt than separate CPU / GPU combo.

Would love to be able to go to an all in one system. Were years away from the type of performance needed for 1440P though. Over the next few years as APU's target 4K, maybe it will be possible to move to APU for 1440P.

6/8 core APU with upgraded GCN and HBM would be perfect for a Mini-ITX..

Future is fusion ;)
 
Tonester0011 said:
Are we though?
970 paired with a 4690k/4790k sits in the 200-300w bracket. I'd also bet it would offer more performance. There's probably a market for this kind of thing though, super small form factor type things.

Interested, however. Curious what kind of performance something like this will offer, but with AMD's efficiency for both CPU and GPU i doubt it will be *that* impressive.
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It's the new architecture on a die shrink I'm looking forward to so they will likely be very impressive. Especially compared to the APU's of today. Would love to switch to all in one. With a single AIO for cooling, nice and quiet. Hopefully in a few years will be able to.

eddyr said:
Some chilling definitely needed. The fact that a feature both being supported by the upcoming DX12, and Nvidia in maxwell2 becomes a negative discussion point or cause for upset is just odd. They are just GPU's, find a co-hobby to take the mind off if it is so stress inducing.

Might be worth adding the anand article to the OP for readers.http://www.anandtech.com/show/9124/amd-dives-deep-on-asynchronous-shading
Some interesting disagreement in the discussion of the differences between AMD and Nvidia's queue/engine capabilities.




I have been wanting something like this for a while. Since around kaveri was announced I was hoping for a AIO board with soldered gddr5 ram/APU, chuck it into a vesa mountable case and then I can get busy with the business of getting all tingly inside. Someday soon maybe.
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+1

Yeah me to, when APU's can cope at 1440P I'll make the switch. HBM, die shrink and newer architecture should make these upcoming APU's perform significantly better. Probably fine for 1080P gaming. Still they are a long way off, 2016 should be good year for AMD.
 
Up to 300W with AIO will be fine. Think about it peeps a single AIO with small RAD can handle the 295X2 (500W TDP), it cools 2 x 290X GPU's :p. A single APU with AIO will be absolutely fine !!

Would only need the one fan for Mini-ITX. Would be my ideal setup, nice and quiet.

I'll be waiting a long time though for a decent performer @ 1440P though.

14nm.
HBM.
Upgraded GPU / CPU architecture.
Higher TDP limit.

Should go a long way to making proper gaming APU's on PC a reality. Decent 1080P gaming should be possible next year.
 
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Martini1991 said:
The "The next year, 1080p gaming will be a possibility with an APU" on a PC.

You basically always say "Next year APU will do X or Y".

It doesn't bother me, it's an observation. Until the bandwidth on APU's is sorted, then AMD aren't providing a 1080p killer, let alone 1440p.

The PS4's got it down pretty excellent though however, which is obviously down to AMD. Just they haven't provided anything near that at retail.
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Ah ok, yeah I thought you were saying me being consistent bothered you :p

The past couple years have seen no progression. We've only had rehashes, tweaks.

Next year is a lot of changes, new architecture, a die shrink and also HBM for APU. This will def result in a big uplift in performance I would fully expect a decent gaming experience at 1080P. Still a ways off for 1440P, maybe possible when AMD target 4K. That's when I would wanna switch to APU.

eddyr said:
1440p will be a ways off at decent IQ. An APU with R9 285-290 level GPU with ~150watt tdp and a quad core cpu is not pushing the boat out too much for the near future though. One can dream, and probably will keep dreaming :(.
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+1 would be great, AMD will get there and I expect APU's to become way more mainstream for gamers. Along with MITX, smaller builds becoming more popular.
 
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