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AMD fine wine

GhostDog1981

GhostDog1981

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Just recently got an AMD card in April and really enjoying the performance- massive upgrade over my 60ti. Managed to OC it and get a better timespy score than stock 4080 for 50% less price so happy with that!

Wanted to gauge thoughts as to whether we might think driver updates (aka fine wine) might get another 10-15% out of the 7900xt to beat the 4080 at raster?
 
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Vexr said:
Could be like the 5700 XT vs 1080 Ti. The Radeon was initially slightly worse in performance, but a couple of years later had slightly overtaken the GeForce. The 1080 Ti was an older card though, whereas the 4080 and 7900 XT are same gen.
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Even now with a bit of overclocking you can gain 6-7% performance at the cost of power draw to almost hit the stock performance of a 4080 at rasterisation.

Hoping fine wine brings it to match the 4080 without overclocking.
 
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I should add the 5700 XT went from ~RTX 2070 equivalent to 2070S-2080 territory in many games, so was in the overtaking lane against its current gen rivals too IIRC, not just the 1080 Ti.

Arguments about power draw come down to amount played and what you're playing. Something like the 7900 XT is powerful enough that, with some games on my 4K TV locked at its max refresh (60 Hz), the 7900 XT is drawing ~160W. My old 5700 XT couldn't lock that FPS, but would be drawing its max of 225W attempting to do so.

The main examples of power efficiency making a real difference in cost comes from NVidia graphs, like at how 50p per kWh playing games 30 hours per week (on games that max your card to 100%), you'll be better off by like £40 per year on NVidia than AMD or something (I don't recall the exact details and can't find the slide on it). I wish I could play triple AAA games that much, but sadly I can't.

I think the 7900 XT is an easy win against the competition in pure rasterization + the juicy VRAM; the sticking point is FSR2 not being as good as DLSS, and there being a giant question mark over FSR3. It's not the even playing field like with the 5700 XT vs 1080 Ti where neither had an advantage in tech. NVidia has an ace up its sleeve in DLSS that AMD have yet to match. Something similar could be said about ray tracing, but that's a headache to pick apart, especially with so much DLSS3 polluting the ray tracing stats and NVidia's focus on what I assumed were obsolete / soon to be obsolete resolutions. Plus there's a giant gulf between how RDNA3 handles lighter ray tracing workloads (RE4, Forza Horizon 5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider), versus something like Cyberpunk, which seems designed to crush everything except the 4090 (or limp through with DLSS3 on other 4000 series cards).

Then there's the whole UE5 situation coming up.
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UE5 is purported to even the field and RT doesn't have to be hardware path traced, also most new AAA Games with UE5 require 12gb upwards at 1440p and higher (I would expect at 4K), benefiting AMD cards.....
 
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Grim5 said:
Looks like bug fixes

Because according to those charts the 7900 series was getting beat by the 6800 in Forza 5, so something was clearly very wrong with the 7900 performance

It's not new free performance but more like big fixes
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What do we reckon maybe 7900XT/XTX-15% perf uplift in all games by Dec 2023?
 
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I really think AMD focus should be on optimising their existing products rather than paper launching 7800, 7700xts….

It would be great if they can get the XTX to meet the 4090 halfway….
 
JediFragger said:
This is what they might be doing BEFORE launching them, taking a chance that fps will improve overall and it seems to be working (at least from what we've seen, needs more testing really). Oh, I got a 7900XTX Pulse to have a play with, very nice card!
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4090 is overall 30% faster than a XTX or have I got that wrong?
 
humbug said:
22% at 4K according to TPU.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Review - Disrupting the GeForce RTX 4080

Navi 31 is here! The new $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX in this review is AMD's new flagship card based on the wonderful chiplet technology that made the Ryzen Effect possible. In our testing we can confirm that the new RX 7900 XTX is indeed faster than the GeForce RTX 4080, but only with RT disabled.
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

Edit: if you were to retest them now it might be a few percentage points closer.
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Those charts look a lot closer than I recall seeing originally in January! Even the XT is only 28% slower at 1440p than a 4090 for 50% less outlay.
 
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humbug said:
The 7900XT was reviewed as over priced, i agree it was.

But the 7900XTX was lumped in the same over priced category despite being 47% faster than the 6900XT its replaced for the same $999, the problem is reviewers like HUB expect AMD to do what ever it takes to make Nvidia cards cheaper and being at the time 5% faster than the 4080 and 20% cheaper isn't anything like enough, so they hate on it.
While at the same time give a card with the same amount of VRam, 20% faster for 60% more money a glowing backside kissing review. and they wonder why people call them Nvidia fanboys?

I think it just seems like the 7900XTX was worse than it actually was because quite a few people gave it such a bad review because it didn't meet their expectations of metering Nvidia.

Look the RX 7600 was originally meant to be $329, the same price as the RX 6600 its replaced, like the 7900XTX vs 6900XT, after being told over and over again the other two GPU's were too expensive and would be given a bad review, HUB told them again this now was too expensive, so this time AMD listened and dropped it to $299, HUB told them its still too expensive, so AMD dropped it to $270, now 20% cheaper than the card its replaced at 27% faster HUB gave it a bad review for being over priced.

Mean while they actually gave the 4080 a card now 70% more expensive than its predecessor at £1200 a mixed review, its quite telling they did not draw any conclusions on its value until the 7900XTX. So they did not give it a value conclution based on its own merits, on that its shocking, instead the wait for AMD's card and hate on that if it didn't meet their standards giving the 4080 a free pass.

That is the sheer ####### state of modern tech journalism.

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They’re basically biased whether unconscious or not. I’ve stopped watching them as I don’t trust them anymore.

They didn’t even commend AMD for listening to outcry and cutting the XT price to $800 and then to $700.
 
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uscool said:
Tlou looks better to me probably one of the best visually , as does red dead 2 and it runs great on lower hardware but I haven't looked much of remnant 2 only from that YouTube
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Have you gone back to replay TLOU yet? I need a new SSD lol but I need to remove gpu and vertical mount to get at it :D
 
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Marine-RX179 said:
People never learn that narrow bus-size will always come back to bite the users eventually...it's just a matter of time...

If people decide to support Nvidia paying them 4070ti money for a 4060ti spec card, then that's on them... :rolleyes:
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The bus is starving the cards like 4070ti and 4060ti of bandwidth. Effectively building in obsolescence.
 
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