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AMD FX 8320 analysis

The FX won't be marginally slower if it comes down the CPU as it's a lightly threaded game.

To be fair, I don't recall massive problems playing on my Thuban.

EDIT : HOLY COW I WOULDN'T BE PUTTING OVER 1.45V IN MY CHIP! That is NOT a stable chip as fair as I'm concerned.




It probably isn't really 40, you know given the duff sensors 'n that.

It's not as simple as that the server usually grinds to a halt and causes problems for everybody. All CPUs usually sit at low usage and just get pwned by the crap programming.

The missus' apu runs at exactly the same speed as sandy bridge...

You also have to consider other sources of bottlenecks (memory and others) for which IPC doesn't help much. Sandy IMC is better than fx, but the difference is small compared to IPC.

gotta see the whole picture...
 
Well the max with ivy is 1.4v and I go higher, but i'd use the thermal loading as a better guide. (Your chip and cooling may allow you to go higher) If you can keep the temp below 100oC under stress then who cares if its hot. The problem with ivy/haswell is well documented in that the cpu doesn't give up its heat to the water cooling loop because of the TIM. So increasing the cpu fan speed does nothing, infact the cpu water rads always feel at ambient i.e. not utilised....

You know, the chip will degrade hella fast if you run it at 1.48 if you are a heavy user.. It's not just the temperatures, it's voltage as well.

But, if you only ever use it for gaming a few hours a week, AND you don't care about it possibly dying on you within a year, then that's alright. With powersaving modes and downclocking it will probably only sit at max. voltage for 1-2 hours a day if you are not a heavy gamer/encoder. It's a personal choice, some people can afford a new CPU every year, some can't. If you can, you can run your old one till it dies, literally, and get more performance out of it :)

I am jealous, but if I was rich I would run my chips at 1.5v too with a very high clock and have 1 in spare all the time.

/more offtopic.
 
3 year warranty and no questions asked, so unless it's smouldering he'd be fine.

You mean like my fiery 955be that could only hold 59fps and needed just a few more volts to hit 60? (I think it momentarily ran smooth on bc2 before setting on fire).

The problem with killing chips with silliness and RMAing them is it is technically fraud (and whilst proving it is such may be near impossible for a vendor, having integrity is important to most people). Also, it pushes up prices for the rest of us - you're hurting yourself in the long run.
 
Under phase :p
I miss my Thuban, it was awesome.
Probably sold onto the 5th person right now running stock :p

EDIT : Speaking about my golden 95W 1055T, I think I've found out who has it, I want it back :p
 
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I'm upgrading some lads rig, might try and get it back and use it, there was a second hand crosshair iv extreme going for peanuts!

FX63 is probably a better buy, but Crosshair IV EXTREME!

Would you agree and say it was one of the better pieces of AMD silicon on the forum during its time? It's funny that I get branded a fanboy, yet I literally had one of the fastest AMD chips on these boards :p
 
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I'm upgrading some lads rig, might try and get it back and use it, there was a second hand crosshair iv extreme going for peanuts!

FX63 is probably a better buy, but Crosshair IV EXTREME!

Would you agree and say it was one of the better pieces of AMD silicon on the forum during its time? It's funny that I get branded a fanboy, yet I literally had one of the fastest AMD chips on these boards :p

TBF it was prolly one of the best Thuban chips I've ever known...

Crosshair 4 Extreme...Meh..... ( I used to own one remember )
 
You know, the chip will degrade hella fast if you run it at 1.48 if you are a heavy user.. It's not just the temperatures, it's voltage as well.

But, if you only ever use it for gaming a few hours a week, AND you don't care about it possibly dying on you within a year, then that's alright. With powersaving modes and downclocking it will probably only sit at max. voltage for 1-2 hours a day if you are not a heavy gamer/encoder. It's a personal choice, some people can afford a new CPU every year, some can't. If you can, you can run your old one till it dies, literally, and get more performance out of it :)

I am jealous, but if I was rich I would run my chips at 1.5v too with a very high clock and have 1 in spare all the time.

/more offtopic.

My Ivy is 1 1/2 years old (so its alive and well way past a year) so because you run higher voltage and temp dont mean its going to burn out it just increases the potential risk!!! Intel offer up a 3 years warranty plus and to be honest it has inbuilt regulators that govern the processors ultimate thermal loading.

IMO The temperature is the most important factor, so keeping the chip cool so you can run a stable overclock is what its all about. My chip is happy stable and powerful at 100oC, it probably lives at 90-95oC and sometimes after hours of BF4 play, using 2 monitors and everything ramped to ultra with 1200mhz gpu's with vsyn off it might hit 103oC, at which point the cpu throttles and self regulates, slightly.

So what if you ask me. If I couldn't reach such a high stable overclock I'd have to upgrade the cpu which is gonna be a 250 quid hit, No thankyou unless is burnd out or dies. I've never killed a cpu in 20 years either by luck, chance or skill and hope I dont start now.

Regarding the MSI MB, I use a GD65 gaming board its brilliant love it and will buy another when I move to the DDR4 chipset.
 
My Ivy is 1 1/2 years old (so its alive and well way past a year) so because you run higher voltage and temp dont mean its going to burn out it just increases the potential risk!!! Intel offer up a 3 years warranty plus and to be honest it has inbuilt regulators that govern the processors ultimate thermal loading.

IMO The temperature is the most important factor, so keeping the chip cool so you can run a stable overclock is what its all about. My chip is happy stable and powerful at 100oC, it probably lives at 90-95oC and sometimes after hours of BF4 play, using 2 monitors and everything ramped to ultra with 1200mhz gpu's with vsyn off it might hit 103oC, at which point the cpu throttles and self regulates, slightly.

So what if you ask me. If I couldn't reach such a high stable overclock I'd have to upgrade the cpu which is gonna be a 250 quid hit, No thankyou unless is burnd out or dies. I've never killed a cpu in 20 years either by luck, chance or skill and hope I dont start now.

Regarding the MSI MB, I use a GD65 gaming board its brilliant love it and will buy another when I move to the DDR4 chipset.

Under lower volts temps are more important, but you are at a level where the volts are so high you could rapidly degrade the circuitry. Part of this is due to electron drift, which also leads to instability. As transistors shrink this effect is becoming increasingly important as the electrons have an easier time tunneling through your chip.

When haswell first launched there were horror stories on other forums of people degrading their chips to unusable levels within hours due to running at (stable) overclocks close to 5ghz.

No chips are immune to this, but Intel's advanced transistors are more vulnerable to it right now, and that's because they are more advanced...
 
When haswell first launched there were horror stories on other forums of people degrading their chips to unusable levels within hours due to running at (stable) overclocks close to 5ghz.

No chips are immune to this, but Intel's advanced transistors are more vulnerable to it right now, and that's because they are more advanced...

To be honest I have never seen a confirmed story of a haswell or ivy degrading.. But I do believe it happens and I am still afraid of it. But I'd also like to see a documented incident :)
 
Ive only heard of 2 cases where an ivybridge overclocked cpu failed or stop working properly. On both occasions they were delidded and one of these cases was my brother.

I know about electron drift and leaky transistors and the problem with trigate heat dispersion.

What I care about is performance, and overclocking gives me loads. I take the risks knowing what can happen.
My last chip a Q6600 was overclocked from 2.2Ghz to 3.3Ghz and lasted for 5 or more years, I retired that cpu and gave it to a relative that still uses it. So from years of overlocking (non competitive) I've never fried and Intel cpu.
 
To be honest I have never seen a confirmed story of a haswell or ivy degrading.. But I do believe it happens and I am still afraid of it. But I'd also like to see a documented incident :)

There's loads of forum stories.

In my Haswell ask 8 Pack thread where I asked about safe voltages, he mentioned degrading at X voltage.
 
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