AMD FX 8350

As pasty said, lets stop willy whacking and get speccing..

In my eyes you are after something like this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 770 Superclock ACX 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (02G-P4-2774) £319.99
1 x Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £269.99
1 x Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TE250BW) £145.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87X-D3H Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £131.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB (2x8GB) PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX21C11T3K2/16X) £119.99
1 x Antec High Current Gamer 750W Modular '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (0-761345-06223-7) £99.95
1 x Corsair Hydro H80i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler £78.95
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD £74.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Windowed Case - Black £69.95
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
Total : £1,349.29 (includes shipping : £17.10).



Though you haven't gave us a budget to play with, is this the right sort of price range?
 
Do you even "need" SLI or Crossfire ability??

Of all the people I know who had motherboards with such an ability,none have ever used it.

When their single card does not cut it they....wait for it....just have replaced it with another faster single card.

The thing is an FX8320 can be had for as low as £105 if you are patient,and with a decent 970 motherboard like the Asus EVO ones you can get a reasonable overclock. The 970 EVO for example as the same VRM section as the 990 EVO ,except the VRM cooler on the latter has heatpipes. The VRMs on both motherboards are rated to deliver upto 275W.

TekSyndicate on YouTube had some benchmarks of games while running XSplit and the FX8350 did reasonably well against the Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs. On top of this the FX CPUs support a lot of new extenstions like FMA3 and FMA4 which will be useful for things like video encoding in the future.

So,I would not just poo-poo the AMD CPUs out of consideration.

OP,people will spend all your money on forums,well because,it is not their money and they also like to re-inforce whatever they have chosen personally too,although some forums are 10X worse than OcUK. Have a good think about how much you want to spend and what type of games you want to play.

AMD Build

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-337-AM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-502-AS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-033-TG
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-021-CS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-063-CS&groupid=2362&catid=1489
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-008-PL&groupid=1657&catid=2101&subcat=2393
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-255-SE&groupid=1657&catid=1660&subcat=1954
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-003-XF
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-048-HS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-007-OK&groupid=701&catid=10&subcat=951

The total comes to £960 including postage.

OTH,if you went with an HD7950 or a GTX670 for under £200 and a smaller PSU,the total would be under £900. If you are patient and are willing to shop around,you could probably get the build nearer to £800.

Edit!!

Another question is whether you are going to overclock or not??

However,that might mean you need to use another supplier.
 
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teppic said:
Lots of people are playing BF3 multiplayer very smoothly with AMD 8350s on Crossfire/SLI. A lot of people say this stuff without ever actually trying it. I do agree that an overclock is needed to get the best out of it, but all 8350s should reach 4.5GHz with a reasonably good cooler.

Here's an example comparison of the 3570K and 8350 both overclocked, with 7970 CF:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-3570k-delidded-single-gpu-and-crossfire-gpu

The BF3 benchmark there has it averaging around 160fps at max settings on both. At no point do the 8350 CPU cores go above 80%, while the GPUs run at 100%.
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Very interesting. Nice to see a real world test rather than just fanboy opinions.
 
Orch said:
Very interesting. Nice to see a real world test rather than just fanboy opinions.
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yeah and consider thats a (last generation) 4 core no HT vs an 8 'core'? not proving that the amd is a good chip there!

those cinebench scores arent exactly outstanding. my old 920 got 7.2 @ 4.45 ghz. the 4770 gets about 10.5.


while yes at the moment doesnt look like it would make a difference in real world games capped at 60 fps. in the future it probably will. meaning you have to upgrade sooner if you get amd.

also consider power consumption, i bet that i5 uses a lot less.

But enough from me, my last amd chip was the k6-2 @ around 266 mhz!
 
Martini1991 said:
I'd drop the fanboy lark, I've probably used and clocked far more AMD systems than you.
I ran one of the fastest AMD Phenom II X6 chips 24/7 too.
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Am I handing out medals? :D

Calm down princess, the fanboy comment wasn't addressed at anyone in particular, it was meant exactly how it was said. It's nice to see some real world tests.

Feel free to carry on telling me how great you are now.
 
Doomedspeed said:
As pasty said, lets stop willy whacking and get speccing..

In my eyes you are after something like this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 770 Superclock ACX 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (02G-P4-2774) £319.99
1 x Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £269.99
1 x Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TE250BW) £145.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87X-D3H Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £131.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB (2x8GB) PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX21C11T3K2/16X) £119.99
1 x Antec High Current Gamer 750W Modular '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (0-761345-06223-7) £99.95
1 x Corsair Hydro H80i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler £78.95
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD £74.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Windowed Case - Black £69.95
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
Total : £1,349.29 (includes shipping : £17.10).



Though you haven't gave us a budget to play with, is this the right sort of price range?
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thats a good build and well within my price range
the only things i would want to change on that is the storage, im going to be running a 120gb SSD for OS and apps a 500gb SSD dedicated to games and 4tb HDD for recordings
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Do you even "need" SLI or Crossfire ability??

Of all the people I know who had motherboards with such an ability,none have ever used it.

When their single card does not cut it they....wait for it....just have replaced it with another faster single card.

The thing is an FX8320 can be had for as low as £105 if you are patient,and with a decent 970 motherboard like the Asus EVO ones you can get a reasonable overclock. The 970 EVO for example as the same VRM section as the 990 EVO ,except the VRM cooler on the latter has heatpipes. The VRMs on both motherboards are rated to deliver upto 275W.

TekSyndicate on YouTube had some benchmarks of games while running XSplit and the FX8350 did reasonably well against the Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs. On top of this the FX CPUs support a lot of new extenstions like FMA3 and FMA4 which will be useful for things like video encoding in the future.

So,I would not just poo-poo the AMD CPUs out of consideration.

OP,people will spend all your money on forums,well because,it is not their money and they also like to re-inforce whatever they have chosen personally too,although some forums are 10X worse than OcUK. Have a good think about how much you want to spend and what type of games you want to play.

AMD Build

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-337-AM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-502-AS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-033-TG
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-021-CS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-063-CS&groupid=2362&catid=1489
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-008-PL&groupid=1657&catid=2101&subcat=2393
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-255-SE&groupid=1657&catid=1660&subcat=1954
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-003-XF
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-048-HS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-007-OK&groupid=701&catid=10&subcat=951

The total comes to £960 including postage.

OTH,if you went with an HD7950 or a GTX670 for under £200 and a smaller PSU,the total would be under £900. If you are patient and are willing to shop around,you could probably get the build nearer to £800.

Edit!!

Another question is whether you are going to overclock or not??

However,that might mean you need to use another supplier.
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i have a 144hz monitor so id like to get as close to that frame rate as possible with as many games as possible hence wanting SLI
 
Doomedspeed said:
you know 8 core vs 4 core isn't that simple right? You did your research didn't you? There must be a reason why a '4 core' cost £100 more than a '8-core'...

Well the 680SLI benchmarks we found told the opposite story, that the Intel performed much than the 8350.

At the end of the day youre thinking of spending £700 on graphics cards and you're risking the 8350 to save £100 on your CPU.. That seems suspect to me.



If you want to go for the 8350 feel free...

I don't (and a few others in this thread) think its the right decison though and we've used benchmarks (which are actually designed to be compared) like 3D mark to show as much.

At the end of the day i've said my peice.

We just want whats best for you and if thats compromising your rig to suit the 8350 so be it.
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my logic is with next gen games... most games these days are console ports and with next gen consoles running 8 core AMD CPU's i just kinda think the 8350 while not the best CPU in the world right now is going to perform much better with the next gen stuff
 
because of the reasons listed in this thread. its a false economy if you have to upgrade sooner.

get the best base system you can, adding graphics cards is easy. swapping the whole mobo and cpu is a pain. and the intel will last longer.

you want 144fps you want intel. because as games get more cpu demanding, which they will. that gap will widen.

@your multi thread games comment
even if it uses 8 cores it probably (look at the cinebench (multithreaded) scores listed) will be far slower than the i7!
 
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james_2k said:
because of the reasons listed in this thread.

get the best base system you can, adding graphics cards is easy. swapping the whole mobo and cpu is a pain. and the intel will last longer.

you want 144fps you want intel. because as games get more cpu demanding, which they will. that gap will widen.
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i dont know much about PC's wich is why i decided to post here in the first place for a little information so i could end up getting the best setup for what i want
but apart from the one dude who has put together a decent spec for me this whole thread has just been full of people arguing about AMD vs. intel

maybe intel would be the best way to go for right now but im thinking about next gen games, most games these days are console ports and with next gen console running 8 core AMD cpu's i cant help but feel next games are going to run better on AMD rather than intel thats my logic ive said it a few times and the only responce ive gotten is people bitching lol
nobody has adressed the questions that ive raised
 
i just gave you a response, which was. even with 8 cores being used in multi threaded benchmarks like cinebench. its STILL slower than the 4 core i7!!

you seem to want validation of your amd choice, if so then go ahead. get one! it cant be that bad
 
james_2k said:
i just gave you a response, which was. even with 8 cores being used in multi threaded benchmarks like cinebench. its STILL slower than the 4 core i7!!

you seem to want validation of your amd choice, if so then go ahead. get one! it cant be that bad
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my bad i replied before i saw the edit

i dont want any validation i totaly open to intel im just looking for a reason to spend that extra money on the i7 and so far i havnt got one ive got fanboy stuff and people posting benchmarks of SLI setups running AMD and intel performing pretty much the same and saying intel is better

in all honesty i just dont understand why... im a noob with this PC stuff i admit it lol i only ditched the console a couple of months ago
 
then you are already on the right track ;)

we all have our opinions, but ive had 2 i7s (920 and 4770k) and they have both been fantastic and i have no hesitation in recommending them, even in highly threaded apps. all i can say :)
 
t103Ninja said:
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but apart from the one dude who has put together a decent spec for me this whole thread has just been full of people arguing about AMD vs. intel
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:D

I actually inadvertently started the arguement aswell. Im glad i ended it with a great spec though. :D

Out of interest what budget did you have in mind?
 
james_2k said:
then you are already on the right track ;)

we all have our opinions, but ive had 2 i7s (920 and 4770k) and they have both been fantastic and i have no hesitation in recommending them, even in highly threaded apps. all i can say :)
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so the 4770k is twice the price of the 8350 does it gives twice the performance? if so then ill happily the 4770k
benchmark stuff that ive looked shows a gap but not double but i dont really trust benchmarks its not real world stuff

surely though its better for me to put the money that i do have into the GPU's rather than the CPU?
 
If you do a comparison of a 8350 vs a 4770k they will clearly show that the intel one is far superior in every aspect. That is not fanboyism, it's a cold fact. Same can be said for the 4670k.

You want a futureproof PC with Sli-capabilities, then you go for the best. Why Gimp a good setup with an inferior CPU in order to save a few pounds? No, it will not perform the same, even with 8 cores. Not even close. The 4770k is the king.

And saying it will perform better on next gen console ports is pure speculation. No facts there, why would the currently more powerful, current gen CPU (Haswell) perform worse than last gen 8350 on games that have not even come out yet? It makes no sense, just because the CPU is present on AMD consoles it does not mean that the i7 will not perform better on a PC. At the moment there are no games out there that perform better with that AMD CPU than a 4770k.

Edit: I just saw your last response. No, it's not good to save on the CPU and go for a better GPU if you want sli capabilities. You can always buy another GPU or upgrade them easily, but you can't do the same with CPU and mobo.
 
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Make said:
If you do a comparison of a 8350 vs a 4770k they will clearly show that the intel one is far superior in every aspect. That is not fanboyism, it's a cold fact. Same can be said for the 4670k.

You want a futureproof PC with Sli-capabilities, then you go for the best. Why Gimp a good setup with an inferior CPU in order to save a few pounds? No, it will not perform the same, even with 8 cores. Not even close. The 4770k is the king.

And saying it will perform better on next gen console ports is pure speculation. No facts there, why would the currently more powerful, current gen CPU (Haswell) perform worse than last gen 8350 on games that have not even come out yet? It makes no sense, just because the CPU is present on AMD consoles it does not mean that the i7 will not perform better on a PC. At the moment there are no games out there that perform better with that AMD CPU than a 4770k.

Edit: I just saw your last response. No, it's not good to save on the CPU and go for a better CPU if you want sli capabilities. You can always by another GPU or upgrade them easily, but you can't do the same with CPU and mobo.
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it may only be speculation but it does make sence the console are running 8 cores so games are probaly gonna use 8 cores on PC

and what you say isnt totaly true BF3 and crysis 3 do use 8 cores if they are available and the 8350 does slightly ahead in benchmark tests
 
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