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AMD FX9590 + GA-990FXA-UD7 woes

Neuter

Neuter

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Hi all, and Merry Crimbo :)

EDIT: For clarification, it's the rev 3 NOT the rev 1 motherboard.

Prior to doing all of the below, I did update my BIOS to the latest BETA version (and then rolled it back 1 version to check for differences).

I decided to treat myself to a RAM and CPU upgrade this weekend, bunged it all in, booted windows, loaded up 3dMark... First freeze. Hrm, strange that. Shut the PC down, tried again. This time on the login screen. Getting slightly concerned it was temps, I quickly loaded up the BIOS and checked the temps. Bit on the warm side, but 35-40C is reasonable.

Left it in the BIOS screen for 10 minutes to see if it'd lock up again. Nothing. Shut it down, took the heatsink off and put my old CPU back in. No problems, then shut down and put the new CPU back in.

So, did a little digging around and someone said to disable a bunch of things in the BIOS relating to CPU, as follows:


Core performance boost
CPU Unlock
Cool & Quiet
C1E Support
Core C6 State
HPC Mode
APM

Disabled that lot, and the CPU was "stable" again. By stable, I mean, I could now load into windows, no dramas, no freezes... or so I thought. Loaded up 3dmark, and the minute it ran a physics test, locked up again.

So, back to the drawing board, I went and downloaded BOINC and ran seti@home. As soon as it peaked to 100% CPU usage, instant lockup again. Temperatures were 48-50C according to CPUID, so it wasn't running hot. I then tweaked BOINC to only use 90% CPU max, no problem.

I then rebooted and decided to underclock the CPU to 4.4Ghz (now this thing is meant to run at 5gz turbo... so I'm a bit miffed at this point).

Ran BOINC overnight at 100% and PC was happy as can be getting back to it this morning.

So, I rang up OC and they basically said there is only 1 motherboard which will work with this CPU. I asked if there were any BIOS settings I could do to get it to work. "No, sorry, we get a lot of these CPU's RMA'd, so I suggest you do the same within 14 days etc". Was the reply.

I have a Megahalems cooler, 650W Antec Platinum PSU, motherboard as per title.

Can anyone who has got this combination to actually work let me know what you did? I'm at my wits end having forked out £175 to only get 200Mhz over my old trusty 8320. I am not planning on overclocking the CPU at all, I'm well aware it's a heavily overclocked 8350. I just want it to run at the stock speed it comes shipped with.

If I have to go down the watercooling route, then so be it. I'd just like to know if there is anything else I can try prior to forking out for additional hardware.

Thanks for reading my wall of text :)
 
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Why would you lay down £175 for 200mhz, which makes no performance difference at all... That would be my question id ask first.
Now, im not someone who will say something, and offer no solution, I would, send the CPU back, aswell as the RAM, sell your motherboard, CPU and existing ram, put the money together and go for a 6700k/5820k bundle.
By the looks of it, if watercooling is not an issue, then you arent tight for money, so that would be my advice, the FX processors just arent cut out for it, they run stupidly hot and are not that great performance wise to make you want to put up with it.
However, if you are set on going with it, id either put together a full watercooling loop or at the very minimum, getting an all in one watercooler, such as the:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk...-liquid-cooling-upgrade-bundle-bu-097-tl.html
Or the Corsair H110i
 
Thanks for the reply theaterix. I suppose I didn't explain myself well enough. My old 8320 got up to 4.2Ghz overclock, no dramas at all. I was "hoping" for 5 with this new one. But right now, that's why I'm saying I forked out £175 for only 200Mhz "upgrade - read underclock" (when I'd prefer it to have been 800 boost as advertised when buying it). I hope that someone can come along at some point and say "oh, do xyz in the bios, problem solved".

I don't think it's a temperature issue, as the lockup would instantly happen the very second the CPU went to 100%. CPUID would freeze on screen saying it only got to 48-50C. Now, it could very well be that it did over-temp extrememly fast, the software might not catch it quick enough before it locks up. Still have my reservations getting a watercooler yet, and as you say, I might just send it back and go for Intel (been an AMD fan since the good old Athlon XP days). Anyway, I'll lurk around for a few days to see if anyone managed to get them to play nice, if not, it's going back.
 
Neuter said:
I'm at my wits end having forked out £175 to only get 200Mhz over my old trusty 8320. I am not planning on overclocking the CPU at all, I'm well aware it's a heavily overclocked 8350. I just want it to run at the stock speed it comes shipped with.
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Okay...

Neuter said:
If I have to go down the watercooling route, then so be it. I'd just like to know if there is anything else I can try prior to forking out for additional hardware.
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Threw £175 at getting a 'on paper' improvement and you want to dish out another £150-200 on custom rather than getting a more powerful set up? If you are talking about an AiO loop, you wont see an improvement thatl make a difference. Especially considering you are not OCing.

Have you tried turning your memory speed all the way down to 10600 and seeing if it is any more stable at stock speeds?

What makes you think that temperature could be the problem? What temps is it running at when it is on 4.4?

To me this sounds like an unstable core. With what you have spent so far, i would just return it and go for something with more grunt. Get a 5820k combo or something.

What is the PC for?
 
theaterix said:
Why would you lay down £175 for 200mhz, which makes no performance difference at all... That would be my question id ask first.
Now, im not someone who will say something, and offer no solution, I would, send the CPU back, aswell as the RAM, sell your motherboard, CPU and existing ram, put the money together and go for a 6700k/5820k bundle.
By the looks of it, if watercooling is not an issue, then you arent tight for money, so that would be my advice, the FX processors just arent cut out for it, they run stupidly hot and are not that great performance wise to make you want to put up with it.
However, if you are set on going with it, id either put together a full watercooling loop or at the very minimum, getting an all in one watercooler, such as the:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk...-liquid-cooling-upgrade-bundle-bu-097-tl.html
Or the Corsair H110i
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Wow. I've not needed this for a while but here goes !



OP. There is absolutely no reason at all that the CPU should not work correctly which leads me to believe that the CPU itself is faulty. I would RMA it.
 
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Even if it was not in the supported list, it should definitely still work. The board is capable of running a 8320/50 at those clocks, why wouldn't it work with a 9590?
 
The PC is mainly for gaming, however I do network router simulations on it and initially ran into capping out my 16Gb RAM and couldn't add more routers to the network, so the extra 16Gb should solve that problem. (GNS3, running JunOS).

When I loaded "optimised defaults" in the BIOS, it set the memory to 10600 (I think), so it was already unstable. I've since bumped it up to 1833 today and it's ok at 4.4.

I'll look into going down the Intel route then. Thanks for the help thus far all :)
 
ALXAndy said:
Wow. I've not needed this for a while but here goes !



OP. There is absolutely no reason at all that the CPU should not work correctly which leads me to believe that the CPU itself is faulty. I would RMA it.
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Confused what exactly you meant by that? Don't you have a 5820k? All i was saying was, the 9590 will not offer any real world increases over his 8320.
 
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I'm one of the most experience amd clockers on the site,

The Fx9590's don't run at 5ghz anyway, it's marketing crap to fool you the p-states are only configure for a half load at 4.7 ghz with excessive voltage. So I won't tell you that you've wasted your money or anyone that has bought a fx9590 as it's not new news that it's an fx8 series pre oc'd.
The problem with the fx9590's are the p-states whch assign the v-core and the turbo multi's, are unrefined. Everyone looks at the 220w tdp and then will check motherboard compatibility, but the thing is the silicon is so varied it can use much less as there's such a variance in the v-core that's applied to each cpu, and that's the only factor as to whether the board will support it or not.

Of all of these settings you disabled none will improve system stanbility cpb disabled reduces the turbo core-voltage and turbo clock, and apm which stops throttling when disabled would decrease stability if the cpu needs more v-core.

Can you set your mboard to stock and run msr tweaker and give a screen print of the
p-states your cpu uses, also using hwmonitor can you determine the voltage that is held when the cpu is under full load and what temps you see on the core and socket, and all your tmp0-4 temps.

The rev 3 wasn't gigabytes best board and there were a lot of problems with the vrms and phases overheating.
 
Thanks Dave, I'll give this a go, but I can guarantee that if I set it back to defaults, windows will stop working. I'll get freezes at the login screen, and windows gets really upset wanting to do a recovery (as it thinks the problem is with itself).

I honestly had massive stability problems prior to disabling those features. Didn't even need to run anything to get lockups.

Currently (in its crippled 4.4Ghz version) Phenom MSR has the following P-states:

P0:
Core multi 25
CPU VID 1.5
NB VID 1.55

P1:
Core multi 22
CPU VID 1.5
NB VID 1.55

P2:
Same as P1

P3:
Core Multi: 20
CPU VID: 1.3875
NB VID: 1.55

P4:
Core Multi: 17.0
CPU VID: 1.2750
NB VID: 1.55

Apologies if this isn't the information you're looking for, let me know what else I should have looked at?

Idle: http://i.imgur.com/7mTBi1a.jpg

100% load: http://i.imgur.com/uFbd9Pd.jpg

The maximums have been over the last 24 hours while I've had seti@home running 100%

I'm going to try reboot and reset to optimised defaults and see if I can get a reading for you.
 
theaterix said:
Confused what exactly you meant by that? Don't you have a 5820k? All i was saying was, the 9590 will not offer any real world increases over his 8350.
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No you weren't you were ranting on about how he should send it all back and go to Intel !!

Yes I have a 5820k. And a 8 core Ivy. And a 8320, and a 1055t.

That's beside the point though.
 
How about replacing it with an 8350/20 and have some fun OCing it - Mine runs at 5ghz 24/7 completely stable as long as you have a decent case temps to keep the VRMs in check its fine

I know you said you don't want to OC but I used to say that and the satisfaction is worth it
 
ALXAndy said:
No you weren't you were ranting on about how he should send it all back and go to Intel !!

Yes I have a 5820k. And a 8 core Ivy. And a 8320, and a 1055t.

That's beside the point though.
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Mate, look at my bloody sig!
I have NOTHING against AMD AT ALL. I just think its pointless going from the 8350 to the 9590 and laying down £170 in the process.
My so called rant may have came across too heavy handed, but my point still stands.
 
Relentless81 said:
How about replacing it with an 8350/20 and have some fun OCing it - Mine runs at 5ghz 24/7 completely stable as long as you have a decent case temps to keep the VRMs in check its fine

I know you said you don't want to OC but I used to say that and the satisfaction is worth it
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I just love it when people read threads properly.
 
Hi Dave,

I reset it to defaults and sure enough, I had endless problems. I had to take photo's of the screen with my phone (as I obviously can't do a screen grab when it's all locked up!).

Anyway, here's a few screenshots of what was going on.

Before resetting to default (current stable)

http://imgur.com/a/WV2QE

After reset values and lockup photos:

http://imgur.com/a/nlNa9

The last crash photo was me lowering the clock multi to 22 (and it still crashed), had to go back and disable all the CPU features mentioned previously, and I'm back up and running again.

After the last crash, Windows tried to do a recovery again, then the PC completely shut off, had to perform a bios recovery.

I have noticed however since this bios recovery my VCORE is much lower.

http://imgur.com/fOZqtmt

Anyway, any help is appreciated. I'm no expert when it comes to things in the BIOS, I just know at the moment how to get it stable.
 
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