AMD getting revenge?

RichardH754 · 14 Mar 2013 at 08:00

All these AMD games coming out that run crap on Nvidia, are the tables turning?

Tomb Raider 2013 is still running wrong, Crysis 3 runs crap too.

Starting to wish I had gone with AMD again!

LtMatt · 14 Mar 2013 at 08:10

RichardH754 said:
All these AMD games coming out that run crap on Nvidia, are the tables turning?

Tomb Raider 2013 is still running wrong, Crysis 3 runs crap too.

Starting to wish I had gone with AMD again!

Wait a minute. You have SLI and you have issues? I don't believe it. That just can't be right. Everyone knows only AMD/Xfire have problems.

AMD's gaming evolved program is coming along nicely. The fact that their gpu's are going to be in all the next gen consoles is going to be pretty significant in my opinion. However i don't believe that game devs or amd will be looking to cripple performance on nvidia hardware. That would make no sense whatsoever. I hope we never go back to the dark days of Crysis 2 and that ridiculous tessellation intended to cripple performance. What you might find though is more titles run a few percent faster on amd hardware and having better early performance at least until nvidia can spend more time with the title in question. That's just speculation though and im sure Nvidia will spend time with the devs as a game is being produced but if they to work as closely with the devs as AMD do in a gaming evolved title im not so sure.

Gregster · 14 Mar 2013 at 08:14

You could always sell your 680's and get three 7970's for the same money. Win win for you

If issues are that bad with Nvidia, this is what I would do.

Edit:

The PS3 has a modified 7800 and the Xbox 360 has roughly the same. Games work/worked pretty well on both AMD and Nvidia (depending on devs) and I see no reason why they wouldn't work just as well for future PS4 and Xbox iterations, ported to PC.

NightSt@lk3r · 14 Mar 2013 at 08:34

LtMatt said:
Wait a minute. You have SLI and you have issues? I don't believe it. That just can't be right. Everyone knows only AMD/Xfire have problems.

Agreed, this is a clear case of PEBKAC, everyone knows Nvidia drivers are immune to issues.

PorkPieCat · 14 Mar 2013 at 09:52

i was under the impression crysis 3 ran better on nvidia's hardware than amd's?

Orangey · 14 Mar 2013 at 09:58

I would love a time machine so I could bring back an nvidia fanboy from the G92 days and show him the Crysis 3 benchies.

andybird123 · 14 Mar 2013 at 10:00

PorkPieCat said:
i was under the impression crysis 3 ran better on nvidia's hardware than amd's?

it does... the first level (or anywhere they have ropes) is severely borked... it's a game issue not a vendor / drivers issue

devs deliberately crippling their games to run rubbish on the cards of a vendor that has 65% market share would be commercial suicide however

pgi947 · 14 Mar 2013 at 10:08

It's more likely a case of public beta syndrome. Release a game that's far from optimised & roll out patches later down the line. Or as Andy put it, a game issue.

EA are dumb we all know that, but not dumb enough to I intentionally cripple performance on a AAA title. Especially when it's estimated around 2/3 of gamers have nvidia in their system.

It is however, nice that amd have day 1 working titles.

tommybhoy · 14 Mar 2013 at 10:37

@OP, general scaling issues are aplenty when you go past 2 way SLI/CrossFire for both teams.

Some titles will work though but most won't, some will even have negative scaling impacts.

The tombraider thread I posted on Sunday was to highlight the impact it may have on future Nvidia 0day driver optimizations due to the next gen consoles running AMD.

AMD will be much more involved giving them a possible advantage on early performance-but that turned into a war despite asking both AMD/Nvidia users to pack it in very early on in the thread, with accusations of baiting thrown in my direction :mad:

- so I asked for it to be removed.

@Pgi and andybird,

EA will know the correct amount of AMD/Nvidia system configurations from their system reports generated back from Origin.

It's not that simple that Nvidia have the market share that's thrown about due to AMD's apu's getting bought for cheaper gaming laptops(where they will hammer sales of Nvidia mobile gpu's), the higher end gaming laptops will be almost insignificant as they don't sell well at all, so it's not quite the number we are led to believe(unless you resemble an Ostrich

)-but that's another discussion altogether.

Before anyone points me to the steam hardware survey, it still can't recognize that I have CrossFire, it's an improvement though as it used to say I was running SLi. :eek:

arc@css · 14 Mar 2013 at 10:40

I think more AMD titles is a good thing, it's not just prices that drive competition and productivity.

andybird123 · 14 Mar 2013 at 10:49

tommybhoy said:
@Pgi and andybird,

EA will know the correct amount of AMD/Nvidia system configurations from their system reports generated back from Origin.

It's not that simple that Nvidia have the market share that's thrown about due to AMD's apu's getting bought for cheaper gaming laptops(where they will hammer sales of Nvidia mobile gpu's), the higher end gaming laptops will be almost insignificant as they don't sell well at all, so it's not quite the number we are led to believe(unless you resemble an Ostrich)-but that's another discussion altogether.

who was talking about laptops?
I would have thought that the number of users gaming on laptops or even integrated desktop GPU's would be small compare with gaming on discrete desktops... Nvidia, in terms of sales of discrete GPU's, has sat at 60%+ market share for as far back as I can find records

taking the quarterly figures for the last few, there are around 120-140 million PC's shipped per year and around 60 million discrete GPU's... 65% of 60 million "GAMING" PC's is well worth both a card manufacturer and game developer catering for

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report/

Stelly · 14 Mar 2013 at 10:55

I have both games, Crysis 3 I have not played yet. I have 2 x 680s and run Tomb Raider after CRYSTAL DYNAMICS updates runs quite good for me, nothing to do with drivers that much mostly with code optimisation for nVidia cards.

Dont forget that AMD cards had the same issue with Batman games...

Stelly

Diagro · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:07

Stelly said:
I have both games, Crysis 3 I have not played yet. I have 2 x 680s and run Tomb Raider after CRYSTAL DYNAMICS updates runs quite good for me, nothing to do with drivers that much mostly with code optimisation for nVidia cards.

Dont forget that AMD cards had the same issue with Batman games...

Stelly

Its a shame though that after that update the things that were causeing bad performance with Nvidia were broken to get that performance back.

The Hair has been reduced by strand count and now simply vanishes from sight into her back.

Goes to show that Nvidia Cards couldn't handle it so they ruined it for everyone.

On topic, Amd seem to be running full steam ahead at the moment, i can see only good things in the future

Marine-RX179 · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:08

Am I the only one looked at OP's PC's spec, and thought his CPU is SEVERELY bottlenecking a Tri-SLI GTX680 set up?

While first gen i7 are still decent performaners, but I really don't think they are meant to be paired with graphic power such as Tri-SLI GTX680, unless it is for ultra high res, rather than 2560 or below res.

Rusty0611 · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:09

They should just have the effects as they are - if a card can't handle it then that person turns off that effect.

It was the same in Sleeping Dogs and Dirt Showdown with SSAA and advanced lighting effects.

Pretty irritating that they've been scaled back. I hope it's just temporary.

Rusty0611 · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:10

Marine-RX179 said:
No offense, but am I the only one looked at OP's PC's spec, and thought his CPU is SEVERELY bottlenecking a Tri-SLI GTX680 set up?

It's not a bad chip. There isn't much difference between it and a SB/IB i7 for games.

LtMatt · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:12

Marine-RX179 said:
No offense, but am I the only one looked at OP's PC's spec, and thought his CPU is SEVERELY bottlenecking a Tri-SLI GTX680 set up?

He has an i7 over clocked and will be using Hyper Threading so he should be ok id imagine providing the game in question makes use of those threads.

Rusty0611 said:
They should just have the effects as they are - if a card can't handle it then that person turns off that effect.

It was the same in Sleeping Dogs and Dirt Showdown with SSAA and advanced lighting effects.

Pretty irritating that they've been scaled back. I hope it's just temporary.

Exactly.

Gregster · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:15

Marine-RX179 said:
No offense, but am I the only one looked at OP's PC's spec, and thought his CPU is SEVERELY bottlenecking a Tri-SLI GTX680 set up?

I spotted it as well but he feels he will get better performance by switching to AMD

Both Tomb Raider and Crysis 3 utilises all of my cores and this in turn helps push 2 Titans to 99% GPU usage in both games. I would say my two Titans are = to his 3 680's and I would imagine they are quite severly bottlenecked.

I know Crysis 3 drops with anything under 4.6Ghz in frames on my 3930K and quite badly.

Diagro · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:17

Rusty0611 said:
They should just have the effects as they are - if a card can't handle it then that person turns off that effect.

It was the same in Sleeping Dogs and Dirt Showdown with SSAA and advanced lighting effects.

Pretty irritating that they've been scaled back. I hope it's just temporary.

+1 100% Agree, I am use the Beta release on steam of tomb raider to keep my older hair as its 1000% better.

Shame its a beta and crashes every so often, But i don't mind replaying 5 mins of gameplay as the game is THAT GOOD!

Orangey · 14 Mar 2013 at 11:20

Diagro said:
+1 100% Agree, I am use the Beta release on steam of tomb raider to keep my older hair as its 1000% better.

Shame its a beta and crashes every so often, But i don't mind replaying 5 mins of gameplay as the game is THAT GOOD!

Keep your hair on.