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AMD going DDR4 any time soon?

Svyper1 said:
I wasnt speaking of overclocking intel's. Theres no point unless its at the end of its tech lifespan.
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What? That's baloney just double take the name of this forum, then see if anyone is overclocking their i5's..

Svyper1 said:
to "be better" than the i5 the fx 8 has to be overclocked to extremes. In which case watercooling is required and the electricity usage goes through the roof.

fx8 110 + 100 + xtraPSU = 220 + PSU difference

i7 = 240 - 270

just get i7 and save a load of moeny over time
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In the main of games that could be true however encoding and software that can utlise the 8 cores properly i.e. BF4 you will see the i5 is irrelevant.

An i7 is £240 - true. So thats an extra £130+ over the 8320. Even if you look at it in your light you dont suddenly blow loads of money on the cooling and PSU. You will get the same PSU whatever the system typically a 650 or 750w decent brand - so that's again baloney.

When I bought mine I got a refurbished H100 for £33, one would assume others will shop around like this too.

If you research properly the energy consumption of the 8320 costing you 'more' at the wall will take say five years till it becomes something measurable if comparing to an intels energy consumption (once you overclock intel the efficiency goes out of the window).

By then you and more than 50% of people would have jumped to a recent iteration of 'upgrade' i.e. mobo, ram, cpu anyway so that nuclear reactor of an 8320 would again be irrelevant due to the times mentioned.

Final point, you are not going to buy a top end i7 and put it into a drab case, leave it at stock with mediocre parts so the spend is going to be off kilter regardless of your opinion.

One thing for sure is if you do go AMD (this is less likely as the tech is so dated, I got mine over a year ago) you can spend that margin on a better GPU which makes way more difference. If you are short of a bob or two this is a critical oversight made if your allegiance is to the blue brigade.

Love this forum! :o

ALXAndy said:
Not true.
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Which is common in these parts. :rolleyes:
 
for arguments sake id like to see the comparison to this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming Edition 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £289.99
1 x Intel Core i7-4790 3.60GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £233.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97M-DS3H Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £68.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan ORANGE 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLAD38G1600HC9DC01) £65.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £59.99
1 x SanDisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive - (SDSSDHP-128G-G25) £49.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £43.99
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
Total : £847.48 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
Svyper1 said:
for arguments sake id like to see the comparison to this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming Edition 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £289.99
1 x Intel Core i7-4790 3.60GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £233.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97M-DS3H Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £68.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan ORANGE 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLAD38G1600HC9DC01) £65.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £59.99
1 x SanDisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive - (SDSSDHP-128G-G25) £49.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £43.99
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
Total : £847.48 (includes shipping : £8.00).

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There is no AMD version of that. Nothing that comes close to it's performance, running temperature or electricity consumption.

I really hope Zen can shake up the industry :)
 
Kaapstad said:
+1

The timings at the moment are shocking for DDR4. Even if you try tuning DDR4 you don't see big gains like you do with DDR3. Even doing something simple like changing the command rate to 1T will crash the system with DDR4.
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Omg Kaap, honestly just stop. If you can't get T1 stable that is because, and I'm sorry but it has to be said...you don't know what you are doing!

Most modules it should be a case of 10 to 20v on DRAM and SA voltage alone.

You keep saying "urgh, it's crap". You've been using it 5 minutes. HWE has a steeper learning curve when overclocking and it hasn't been out even a year for it to mature.
 
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faceman123 said:
You've got to be crazy to buy any Anything AMD right now. even the g3258 keeps up with a fx 8350
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I'm pretty sure I recognize that name...

Anyway, I doubt you'll see any DDR4 from AMD until they release some proper new chips, maybe the ones touted to release in 2016 will.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Omg Kaap, honestly just stop. If you can't get T1 stable that is because, and I'm sorry but it has to be said...you don't know what you are doing!

Most modules it should be a case of 10 to 20v on DRAM and SA voltage alone.

You keep saying "urgh, it's crap". You've been using it 5 minutes. HWE has a steeper learning curve when overclocking and it hasn't been out even a year for it to mature.
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It is a fact the platform is crap and needs improvement.

Live with the obvious and don't bury your head in the sand.

I notice 8 Pack broke a world record the other day using the platform and what was he running his RAM at ?

Answer 3000mhz

And you criticised me the other day for saying the performance I was getting @3000mhz and 3200mhz was much the same.

I would say you know less than you think you do otherwise you might give people a bit of help on the forums instead of being negative so much.

If you think X99 is a good platform, prove me wrong by helping people get the most out of it.
 
faceman123 said:
You've got to be crazy to buy any Anything AMD right now. even the g3258 keeps up with a fx 8350
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AMD's APU's are still great value for a small / cheap all in one system. I agree about AMD's CPU's though, Intel have them beat at every price point. So unless your a die hard AMD fan Intel makes more sense at the mo. Don't count out AMD out though 2016 will be the year of the underdog :D

Kaapstad said:
If you think X99 is a good platform, prove me wrong by helping people get the most out of it.
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I know that post was directed @ Silent_Scone, keep seeing you say X99 is crap.. Nobody needs to prove you wrong Kaap, lot's of peeps happy with it me included. Your opinion that it's not a good platform is your own opinion, people don't have to agree with you on that one.
 
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Kaapstad said:
It is a fact the platform is crap and needs improvement.

Live with the obvious and don't bury your head in the sand.

I notice 8 Pack broke a world record the other day using the platform and what was he running his RAM at ?

Answer 3000mhz

And you criticised me the other day for saying the performance I was getting @3000mhz and 3200mhz was much the same.

I would say you know less than you think you do otherwise you might give people a bit of help on the forums instead of being negative so much.

If you think X99 is a good platform, prove me wrong by helping people get the most out of it.
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You're still not making any sense. 3000mhz at what latency / voltage / core / uncore frequency? You're just throwing random statements at me.

Help you get the most out of it how? Everything you have been saying over the past two weeks I have given you advise on what to try, and all you keep doing is saying "it's crap". I'm not sure what exactly you were expecting performance wise, I can only assume buying the platform you've been following other member tuning.

Sell up and go back to your old rig then, you've already made your mind up.

NirK said:
But that is my point... DDR4 is not actually faster, it is the same speeds as DDR3 with worse timings. As I said it might be good in a few years when faster speeds are as cheap as DDR3 is now. The only interesting thing in this thread is the HBM.
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No, it doesn't. In what universe can DDR3 do 64GB 2666 or for that matter 16GB at 3000? The latency difference amounts to literally nanoseconds. I've yet to see anyone comment that has a grasp on memory timings
 
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Silent_Scone said:
You're still not making any sense. 3000mhz at what latency / voltage / core / uncore frequency? You're just throwing random statements at me.

Help you get the most out of it how? Everything you have been saying over the past two weeks I have given you advise on what to try, and all you keep doing is saying "it's crap". I'm not sure what exactly you were expecting performance wise, I can only assume buying the platform you've been following other member tuning.

Sell up and go back to your old rig then, you've already made your mind up.
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No you are the one throwing out statements.

As far as your help goes I would prefer it if you helped some of the other people on here who have had problems.

Me personally I don't want your help as I said in the other thread. This is because of your attitude.

I have no intention of giving up on X99 but I will get it sorted and without your help.

The bottom line though is X99 is the worst platform intel have launched in a long time and no amount of you telling me otherwise is going to change my opinion.

Live with it X99 at the moment is rubbish.
 
Boomstick777 said:
I know that post was directed @ Silent_Scone, keep seeing you say X99 is crap.. Nobody needs to prove you wrong Kaap, lot's of peeps happy with it me included. Your opinion that it's not a good platform is your own opinion, people don't have to agree with you on that one.
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+1

No one has to agree with me.:)
 
Kaapstad said:
No you are the one throwing out statements.

As far as your help goes I would prefer it if you helped some of the other people on here who have had problems.

Me personally I don't want your help as I said in the other thread. This is because of your attitude.

I have no intention of giving up on X99 but I will get it sorted and without your help.

The bottom line though is X99 is the worst platform intel have launched in a long time and no amount of you telling me otherwise is going to change my opinion.

Live with it X99 at the moment is rubbish.
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Your opinion would sit fine with me if you actually had any real reason other than you're struggling to get your system stable. You just sound about 14, pardon me for trying to make sense of your rage hating.
 
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Silent_Scone said:
Your opinion would sit fine with me if you actually had any real reason other than you're struggling to get your system stable. You just sound about 14, pardon me for trying to make sense of your rage hating.
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My system is perfectly stable thankyou.

And my opinion still stands.

I think we have both said enough on the subject and only someone who is very immature would feel the need to reply and try and continue this.
 
Kaapstad said:
No you are the one throwing out statements.

As far as your help goes I would prefer it if you helped some of the other people on here who have had problems.

Me personally I don't want your help as I said in the other thread. This is because of your attitude.

I have no intention of giving up on X99 but I will get it sorted and without your help.

The bottom line though is X99 is the worst platform intel have launched in a long time and no amount of you telling me otherwise is going to change my opinion.

Live with it X99 at the moment is rubbish.
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I disagree with your opinion, I suspect many do. That's the beauty of opinions - we can each have our own and then get on with it.

This may come as a shock for you, but posting your opinion in capitals, in a larger font, doesn't encourage anyone else to agree with it, if they didn't already. It just makes you look like a spotty teenager with anger issues.
 
Kaapstad said:
It is a fact the platform is crap and needs improvement.

Live with the obvious and don't bury your head in the sand.

I notice 8 Pack broke a world record the other day using the platform and what was he running his RAM at ?

Answer 3000mhz

And you criticised me the other day for saying the performance I was getting @3000mhz and 3200mhz was much the same.

I would say you know less than you think you do otherwise you might give people a bit of help on the forums instead of being negative so much.

If you think X99 is a good platform, prove me wrong by helping people get the most out of it.
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I agree with pretty much all of that. X99 is not a step up from X79 it's more of a refresh with a few silly techs (like MSATA) bolted to it. If it had decent SATA ports there are usually 10-12 on a spec like X79/99 any way so adding a stupid port for a mini drive on a board of that spec is just stupid.

On the hex cored CPUs the speed advances are utterly minimal. Only reason people are getting all excited is because Intel finally released an 8 core CPU that's unlocked and they could have easily done that about three times on X79.

As a tech X99 offers nothing new. Which, if you really care about things like that is a massive disappointment. What's been more disappointing is reviewers not pointing out all of these caveats. Most have said wow, amazing, super duper ETC but hardly any (Anand at last check) have actually used X79 data to compare.

They wouldn't really, given they're all mostly glorified salesmen selling products for a big company. Who's going to say "Well actually X99 is a bit Tom Tit so just stick with your X79 rig or just buy an X79 rig as the memory is half price".
 
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