AMD help required for upgrade

ShiWarrior

ShiWarrior

ShiWarrior

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Hi all

Xmas just gone and got some vouchers to use , birthday in February, so hoping to upgrade around then

in need of an upgrade

looks like AMD is the way to go, but its been YEARS since i last had an AMD system, and they were never stable (not overclocked)

so im in need of some advice please

Im pretty sure i want a new 5600X chip rather than a 3600

i want something to last me another 10 years if possible


current thoughts are

AMD 5600X CPU
MSI Tomahawk wifi X570 motherboard

to go with my components :
AMD Red Devil 5700XT
2TB m.2 SSD
4x 4Gb Corsair Vengeance 3000 RAM (16Gb)
Asus Xonar Essence STX (Gen 1) sound card


what are your thoughts ?
is the RAM ok ?
is the stock cpu cooler any good?

is that motherboard ok ?


i want it for gaming, including VR gaming via Link cable (Quest 2)

thanks


EDIT //

I game at 1080p 144 HZ

try and use max settings where ever i can
 
Faster RAM would be nice, but it is alright. If you upgrade to 32GB some day would be a good opportunity to dump it.

Stock cooler is poor, I wouldn't use one in my daily.
 
For that long, I would go higher core-count, like 3900x or 3950x, rather than 5700x. Just my 2 cents.
AMD is rock solid. Same as Intel. No issues whatsoever.
About OC, not really point OCing AMD. Better gains fine tuning RAM and better cooling to allow the CPU to work it's magic. Also negative offset may help, a lot.
OCing Intel would be easier, buy not pain-free. A very good cooling system is mandatory.
 
not going to overclock it, only if it gets to 10 years old and starting to struggle sort of thing, then i might ! lol

well the 5600X is the newer Generation, so i don't see a point going older
 
A 6-core CPU in 10 years will be like Celeron today or Pentium Gold.

I would also vote for a 12-core Ryzen 9 5900X. It has 3 chiplets with the same TDP as the 2-chiplet Ryzen 7 5800X, so it's easier to be cooled.
 
MrPotato said:
For that long, I would go higher core-count, like 3900x or 3950x, rather than 5700x. Just my 2 cents.
AMD is rock solid. Same as Intel. No issues whatsoever.
About OC, not really point OCing AMD. Better gains fine tuning RAM and better cooling to allow the CPU to work it's magic. Also negative offset may help, a lot.
OCing Intel would be easier, buy not pain-free. A very good cooling system is mandatory.
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You do know his 5700xt is actually a GPU, Or maybe you ment 5600x instead of 5700x lol, but who knows lol
 
baz_ said:
You do know his 5700xt is actually a GPU, Or maybe you ment 5600x instead of 5700x lol, but who knows lol
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Meant 5600x, my bad, using phone. :D:D
At the moment using the 3900x and haven't seen a scenario where my CPU held my 2080 back (under normal use). This week getting a 3090 and think that still be valid. The IPC of the 5000 series is higher, true, but the price for the 5600x would force me towards the previous gen with more cores at the same price. Not saying going 1000 or 2000 series Ryzen, but 3900x or 3950x are very capable CPUs. And would be a good while until they start to bottleneck any system under normal/balanced use.
At 1440p or 4K, maxed out, more likely the GPu will be at 100% use than the CPU. And more cores would allow to many other things run at the same time without affecting the performance when gaming.
 
10 years would be extremely tall order for only six cores, when new consoles give game developers 100% exclusive use of seven cores to play with.
And that's with lower frame rates majority of console games aim...



MrPotato said:
haven't seen a scenario where my CPU held my 2080 back (under normal use).
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Switch to 1920x1080 resolution.
 
EsaT said:
10 years would be extremely tall order for only six cores, when new consoles give game developers 100% exclusive use of seven cores to play with.
And that's with lower frame rates majority of console games aim...



Switch to 1920x1080 resolution.
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But then, I only play at 1440, usually High/Very High/Ultra, and usually is the GPU that reaches limit, not the CPU. But if I were to run 1080p, low resolution, the CPU would reach it's limit.
 
why would yours bottleneck @ 1080p and not at 1440p ?
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so ok maybe not 10 years , but as long as i can muster, probably more of 5 years
 
A ryzen 7 5800x for about £450 and a nice arctic cooler for it as it doesnt have a cooler suplied

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £27.69 (includes shipping: £2.74)​
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Reason is this new generation of consoles are all 8 core/16 thread. As most games are going to be developed for them and then ported over to the pc you should be good for a while. Unless you do something that needs more cores like CAD or rendering then there is little point spending the extra for them atm. Also the 5*** series of ryzen seem to get on well with 4 slots of ram fitted where the 3*** series didnt.

Dowload ryzen dram calculator and overclock the ram to see if that will improve the performance.
 
ShiWarrior said:
dont know what you think aboyt Gamers Nexus, but they are quite intent on the 5600X cpu is the best bang for buck right now

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They do great reviews. The 5600x is a greeat cpu but your talking about longevity and the 5800x will give you more longevity for games than a 5600x. Thats why i got a 5800x over a 5600x.
 
dfour said:
They do great reviews. The 5600x is a greeat cpu but your talking about longevity and the 5800x will give you more longevity for games than a 5600x. Thats why I got a 5800x over a 5600x.
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This. Not questioning the 5600x, but even a better IPC won't/shouldn't last longer than considerably more cores. Not saying like going for the 3900x to 3950x (only 4 cores), but from 6 to 12 cores, that would assure a longer useful life.
I'm only mentioning the 3000 series as the 5600x is going between £300-350, which I find expensive for a six-core, while plenty of 3900x around for same money. But the option of 5800x, seen for £420-440, is a safer bet than the 5600x, at least if you're planning to keep as long as possible.
Biggest issue is that Ryzen's performance is what you get now. Nothing like when people would buy an C2D 2000/3000 and few years later overclock the soul out of it, allowing a long useful life of the chip.
Options would be, again my opinion: 5600x now, 2 or 3 years, may or may not struggle. 5800x slightly more performance now, but extra grunt for quite a while longer. 3900x less performance for gaming now, longer life, as you won't possibly run out of cores.
 
MrPotato said:
3900x less performance for gaming now, longer life, as you won't possibly run out of cores.
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Would need complete change in game coding for slower cores to not limit performance also in future.
Even well multithreaded games have couple main threads whose execution speed is critical.
And Intel must be shoveling payolas left and right for game developers to not exceed 8 core CPU as designed platform.
 
EsaT said:
Would need complete change in game coding for slower cores to not limit performance also in future.
Even well multithreaded games have couple main threads whose execution speed is critical.
And Intel must be shoveling payolas left and right for game developers to not exceed 8 core CPU as designed platform.
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The whole game scenario has changed drastically. Not saying 6 cores gen 3000 Vs 6 cores gen 5000, but all the other things that started being standard now, like streaming, etc.
Here, I can play whatever resolution, running media server (missus streaming stuff from my PC), loads of apps running together.
Just as comparison, when using the 3600x, Chrome open, few windows open, I would get stutter here and there.
My advice is: 5600x if you can. 5900x even better. But at 5600x budget, I guess, the 3900x would last longer, and considering the OP wish to last as long as possible, I would go more cores.
 
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