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Poll: AMD Keeps Screwing Up (HUB video) - do they?

Do people think AMD keep screwing up with their dGPU launches?


  • Total voters
    75
So why do AMD bother trying to compete if they know they can't win?
Just make GPUs that sit at around 4060 level and under where Nvidia won't care about you. Why make a 7900XTX if you can't compete with Nvidia.
If you are gonna compete with Nvidia then be prepared to be compared with them regardless of finances. At the end of the day the customers don't care about that, that's an AMD problem, customers care about what they get.

Skoda probably couldn't compete with Ferrari when it comes to cars at the price point, performance and feature level of Ferrari. So they don't. They don't make poor cars to compete with Ferrari, have poor launches and then rely on Skoda owners to tell everyone they don't have the budget of Ferrari.

I think they do ok in the upper mid range or lower high end and below, i don't really know how to categorise it, RX 7800 XT and below, i bought one because to me at least its a better choice than the 4070, in raster it is in fact as fast as the 4070 Ti if you twiddle a few knobs in the AMD driver, which everyone should, with 16GB it has better longevity, FSR while not as good as DLSS is getting to a point where its quite useable, its not bad, AFMF is a very good feature and it works well now.

The problem it has is Ray Tracing, it either works, or it doesn't, for example in Metro Exodus RT works really well, its as good as a 3070 Ti, its as good as a 3080 Ti in Doom Eternal and there are plenty of other games i could list, it doesn't work in for example Black Myth Wukong, not unless you would call a 90% hit in performance with RT on working, i wouldn't, i'd call that broken.

RDNA 4 needs to sort that out because RT is becoming the default, its not going to be long where RT is a measure of performance in the same way that Raster is and if AMD are still 40%, or even 20% behind a price equivalent Nvidia then that's what it is and be that as it may that's the point where AMD are completely uncompetitive, so it is match or beat Nvidia's RT or you don't have a GPU, its that serious and i think AMD should take it that seriously. I bought a 7800 XT because overall i think its better, and i do like the GPU, its very very good, but for my next GPU i'm going to be looking for that RT performance, i have and never will be emotionally tied to a particular vendor, i will switch back to Nvidia if AMD don't take RT seriously enough.

I think AMD try to compete because they haven't yet given up, but they are now what is it... 10% marketshare? At what point does that become unsustainable, at what point are you spending more on R&D for them than you get back in Net Margins?

Let me show you something.

Intel; from $20 bn (25%) net profit in 2021 to $1.7 bn (3%) in 2023, that is as bad as it looks if not worse, Intel must get its margins up, there are two ways they can do that, cut costs... they are doing that, they are cutting 15% of their work force, this is just what they are willing to admit to, if the decline doesn't turn around eventually you're having to cut all talent out of the company and then you're done, its game over.
Another way is to push the prices up, Intel may want to sell their best for $800, but if its no better than AMD's $600 CPU then they aren't going to be selling them and that's worse because now you can't even recover the cost of making and trying to sell these products.

Why is this relevant? Well look at this and then imagine for AMD's Retail GPU's its FAR worse than this already, in my view it is, we just can't verify that because of the cryptic way AMD publish segment revenues.

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Another thing, you see this.... https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/workstations/radeon-pro/w7800.html

That's not exactly a 7800 XT under a different name but its close enough, They cost more than $2000, so 4X more than a 7800 XT, and they sell, people buy a lot of these things because they are quite good and about half the price of Nvidia's equivalent.

Lets say AMD cut the price to $1500, they would sell a lot more of them, still at 3X the price of a 7800 XT, if they chose to do that guess where the supply is coming from?

Copy and paste that to Nvidia, they could make a lot more money if they switched over their supply to professional GPU's, why don't they? Because its worth maintaining your dominance in what made you as a company to start with, you don't want to burn your bridges because you don't need them right now.

AMD's bridge is a smouldering plank. But for now they think its worth trying to maintain it.
 
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im saying you cant compare them due to money and the only way to even things out is for amd to get more money in. where have i said otherwise?
I have no idea what you're trying to say as there have been so many contradicting statements made.

I'll try once more:

Back then, less resources than Nvidia, product that beat Nvidia

Now, more resources than back then, further away from Nvidia

They ALREADY have more money, what they don't appear to have is the ability to develop competing products. Why that is so difficult to comprehend is beyond me.
 
I have no idea what you're trying to say as there have been so many contradicting statements made.

I'll try once more:

Back then, less resources than Nvidia, product that beat Nvidia

Now, more resources than back then, further away from Nvidia

They ALREADY have more money, what they don't appear to have is the ability to develop competing products. Why that is so difficult to comprehend is beyond me.
It was also easier back then.
 
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