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AMD M2 or 939?

locutus12 said:
you couldnt possibly know this.

very true.. more to the point with the vast majority of software still single threaded it would be very easy to say dual core cpus aren't sensibly priced.

That said when I saw them launch I thought the going rate was pretty good and tbh as long as there are quad offerings at or around £500 I imagne I would think they were pretty sensibly priced.. where they are sensibly utilised or not in anything other than server apps is another matter entirely.
 
Intels own single die, native quad cor processor will be out in 2007 as well, no news yet on what socket/chipsets will support it though. If they wanted though there would be nothing stopping them making it compatible with existing 975X/965 boards, which are already kentsfield compatible.
 
True, but finally intel have learned that AMD kick back, unlike P4 where they kept issuing refresh after refresh, Intel appear to be planning ahead properly, with a roadmap which basically alternates between process refresh, and new architectures.

So with Core 2, we'll see a process update to 45nm(2007), then a architechture update in 2008. And they appear to be planning a 32nm processess in 2009, and then yet another new architecture. And dont forget intel are still using a traditional FSB on their processors. So they still have the potential to improve performance further by integrating the memory controller. They also have CSI to counter Hyper Transport, and they can still bring Hyperthreading back into play as well. With Core 2 being a 4 issue core, it should in theory be better at Hyperthreading that P4 was. (Hyperthreading mearly allows a second thread to utilise unused parts of the cpu core. The wider the core, the more chances of ports going unused)

I think AMD will kick back, but Intel are now on their toes, they realise AMD is a serious player, and dont want to be caught with their pants down a second time.

Sun Microsystems have a quad core processor, which is capable of a system similar to hyperthreading, which allows each processor core to run up to 8 threads concurrently, of course thats a workstation/server platform. However imagine the potential of a desktop PC with a Core 3 Quad, with hyperthreading enabled, CSI, and an integrated memory controller.

Of course thats purely speculation. Intel are claiming 80 cores in the future, I wonder if thats a combination of physical cores, and hyperthreading though.
 
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Corasik said:
They also have CSI to counter Hyper Transport,


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Strikes me that now is not the time to upgrade. With Vista, quad core cpus and DX10 graphics cards all just around the corner, some good bargains could be had in the New Year for what is currently the cutting edge of technology. But then again, you gotta bite the bullet at some time otherwise with the way technology develops you will never make a decision!
 
Corasik said:
Sun Microsystems have a quad core processor, which is capable of a system similar to hyperthreading, which allows each processor core to run up to 8 threads concurrently, of course thats a workstation/server platform.

Its also pretty much 'genuine' multicore. An efficient method of communicating between discrete CPUs (AMD multicore) or sharing cache (Intel multicore) a 'genuine' multicore does not make.

If saying AMD is 'genuine', or 'proper', 'real' multicore makes you feel better, then carry on :) Just remember the same logic can be applied to Intel as well. Both solutions are mulitple discrete processors glued together with various lightweight methods. Arguably Intel's cache-sharing is the better design due to the way multiple processors are used in an OS.

The Intel 80-core design is also multicore as it should be, but I seriously doubt it would be used in consumer computers. Its floating-point heavy to the extreme, more for scientific applications.

Oh yeah - socket 939 is very cheap right now if you just need to upgrade CPU/Mobo/GPU. The 939 CPUs are nice and cheap along with the motherboards and saving so much on the RAM means it works out rather positive. Afterall the GPU is far, far more important. A 4800+ is somewhere between the 1.83Ghz and 2.2Ghz Core 2 Duos - with the same GPU. However if you save a lot of cash on the RAM then you might be able to get a much more powerful GPU.
 
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VapourTrail said:
Strikes me that now is not the time to upgrade. With Vista, quad core cpus and DX10 graphics cards all just around the corner, some good bargains could be had in the New Year for what is currently the cutting edge of technology. But then again, you gotta bite the bullet at some time otherwise with the way technology develops you will never make a decision!


nope, 6 to 8 months is the time to upgrade, when the second batch of DX10 cards are out, when vista`s initial bugs will have been found and fixed, and when AMD have their new range of CPU`s out hopefully pushing CPU prices a little lower on both sides.
 
locutus12 said:
nope, 6 to 8 months is the time to upgrade, when the second batch of DX10 cards are out, when vista`s initial bugs will have been found and fixed, and when AMD have their new range of CPU`s out hopefully pushing CPU prices a little lower on both sides.

Have to agree m8. I would not dream of buying Vista as soon as it comes out. Despite extensive Beta testing it's bound to be full of 'Gates' Gremlins'. Not the right thread but is XP -> Vista upgrade or Full Version Vista install the better way to go when migrating OSs. I've done Win 98 -> Me and full OEM XP installs before now and see no real benefit either way?
 
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