amd new core is going to rock your world !

[Cartho]

amd will always have the lower price thats what theyve done for years

really? Funny that, lets just compare an Athlon FX60 to a Core 2 Duo E6600

Superior performance on the core 2, and, oh hang on, the AMD CPU is around £500!!!!
lets just compare that to the Intel CPU shall we?
oh look, it is only around £200

 

[Corasik]

Native Quad might be handy in the server market, and for some enthusiasts, but it will have little impact in the desktop market for the large majority of people.

Dual core is still largely underutilized at the moment, especially in gaming, and even with a C2D at 1.83Ghz, high resolutions (Say 1920x1200), even the best graphics cards are the main bottlenecks not the CPU's.

128bit SSE isnt a new invention, Core2 Duo already has it. It also has a redesigned instruction scheduler, different to the new AMD yes, but light years ahead of Pentium3 or Pentium4.

Sure, the native quad part should be faster than Kentsfield, with its twin dualcore design, but Core2's already native dualcore, with 128bit SSE, so I would imagine the dual core 'desktop' version of K8L wont be that much better than Conroe.

Not to mention Conroe is a far better starting point for future processors than Pentium 4 ever was.

I hope the new AMD chip rocks, as intel seem determined to maintain the performance crown, so strong competition will give us faster processors every could have years, as it should be.

Intel kept the old dog P4 in the house long after it should have been dead and buried.

 

[Firegod]

Some of this going on soon then?

Lol. I love that show!

Back on topic! *ahem*

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

really? Funny that, lets just compare an Athlon FX60 to a Core 2 Duo E6600

Superior performance on the core 2, and, oh hang on, the AMD CPU is around £500!!!!
lets just compare that to the Intel CPU shall we?
oh look, it is only around £200

Bit of an unfair comparison there. Granted the AMD's are inferior performers to the Intels, however, you've compared AMD's 939 high-end enthusiast chip which isn't made anymore with a mainstream Intel part. If you HAD to use the FX series the AM2 FX62 for £293 would be a wiser choice.

I'd say their prices are more matched, a retail X2 3800 is around £90 and the E4300 is around £99. (Waits to be flamed because the E4300 would crush the 3800) Before that happens, they are both the entry level cpus so it IS a fair comparison...

 

[Kamakazie!]

Bit of an unfair comparison there. Granted the AMD's are inferior performers to the Intels, however, you've compared AMD's 939 high-end enthusiast chip which isn't made anymore with a mainstream Intel part. If you HAD to use the FX series the AM2 FX62 for £293 would be a wiser choice.

I'd say their prices are more matched, a retail X2 3800 is around £90 and the E4300 is around £99. (Waits to be flamed because the E4300 would crush the 3800) Before that happens, they are both the entry level cpus so it IS a fair comparison...

and at stock, the 3800 is on par with the 4300 across the board.

 

[Stelly]

That could be why there's a RUMOUR going round that Intel is bringing the 45nm Penryn core forward to the 1st half of this year then.

See here .

Cant wait for Penryn

Stelly

 

[Gashman]

and at stock, the 3800 is on par with the 4300 across the board.

yeah its only when core processors are overclocked they kick the K8s in the balls, but if there left at stock, there rather even, and like it was said you CAN'T compare an enthusiast processor (extreme editions, FX) to a mainstream one, thats simply an unfair example, cause someone could immediately turn and say 3800+ for 90 pound, extreme editions 600 pounds!

 

[w3bbo]

and at stock, the 3800 is on par with the 4300 across the board.

The 4300 beats the 3800 hands down across the board and is on occasions faster than a 4200. I wouldn't say it crushed the 3800 but its definatley ahead in 99% of the benchmarks I have seen.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Don't talk rubbish.

Polite forums please!

 

[geff_r]

A little birdy told me the core 2 duo isnt true dual core that it just uses a bridge
is this true?

 

[w3bbo]

Polite forums please!

Jeez I hate that emoticon

Yeah that was a little harsh I'll admit, wasn't meant as an insult - appologies if it was taken as such - post edited . The info was not correct though, the 3800 is not 'on a par' with a 4300 as the 4300 betters it in the majority of tests, some by a significant margin.

Back on topic: I do hope the report is true as intel need to be pushed rather than sitting on there behinds. It could well mean yet another system overhaul for me still competition can only be a good thing for the consumer

 

[Gashman]

The 4300 beats the 3800 hands down across the board and is on occasions faster than a 4200. I wouldn't say it crushed the 3800 but its definatley ahead in 99% of the benchmarks I have seen.

i think he meant the core didn't hammer the 3800+, it merely beat it, thus saying that intels and AMDs offerings aren't that far apart until your start to overclock, plus the E4300 is priced close to the 4200+ 65nm revision, so you should compare it to the 4200+ really, price vs. price wise anyways, conroes don't offer mind boggling performance at stock speeds really, but man can they overclock

 

[NathanE]

A little birdy told me the core 2 duo isnt true dual core that it just uses a bridge
is this true?

False. In comparison to a C2D the X2 is "less" dual core as it doesn't have a shared L2 cache.

 

[InSanCen]

A little birdy told me the core 2 duo isnt true dual core that it just uses a bridge
is this true?

I think your "birdy" is thinking of the Pentium D, 2 cores, but not a single Die... (I dunno if the terminology is correct on that)

 

[Kamakazie!]

False. In comparison to a C2D the X2 is "less" dual core as it doesn't have a shared L2 cache.

simply a different way of doing things. I don't think such architectural differences should matter in calssification. Not that it really matters.

2 cores, 1 die, ***!

 

[jaykay]

What does shared l2 give compared to exclusive l2?

 

[Big.Wayne]

What does shared l2 give compared to exclusive l2?

dunno? I suppose one single core could hold a larger data set (i.e nick some cache from the other core if it wasn't being used).

 

[Dolph]

dunno? I suppose one single core could hold a larger data set (i.e nick some cache from the other core if it wasn't being used).

Yep, it also makes scheduling easier as you don't have to do it before L2 level.