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AMD OPTERON QUAD CORE!

Zefan said:
It'll probably come out on AM2 first, but it would make sense if it didn't work properly until used on the K8L (with ddr3) as this is in the pipeline on the same sort of level as this socket.
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queue big nasty GPU+CPU on a large chunk of silicon!
 
Jokester said:
Well, it looks like Intel will have the quad core Conroe out well before. Though it's not as elegant a design (in terms of interface between cores) the raw processing power of Intel's cores are significantly ahead of what AMD has to offer, both in terms of clock per clock and outright clock speed.
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the first AMD quad core (foxhound?) is going to be similar to kensfield in that it is just 2 dual core K8's stuck together (though they will have a hypertransport link rather than FSB so still a better interface) which will possibly be out by the end of the year. The real deal is the native quad core K8L codenamed deerhound (rumoured for release in 2H'07. The IPC should be well up close to that of Intel's and maybe even higher, that along with its native quad core design should put it out infront. I am not sure when Intel plan on releasing their first native quad core but i am pretty sure AMD will get there first.... again!
For now, nothing beats Conroe (or Kentsfield when it comes out) atleast untill the K8L dualcore (then quadcore).


Zefan said:
It'll probably come out on AM2 first, but it would make sense if it didn't work properly until used on the K8L (with ddr3) as this is in the pipeline on the same sort of level as this socket.
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All the desktop K8 quad core and K8L dual and quad cores will be compatible with AM2 motherboards. K8L has a dual DDR2/DDR3 memory controller so you will be able to upgrade to DDR3 as soon as it becomes viable (and socket AM3 mobo's are released).
 
According to the inquirer article they might use 90nm rather than 65nm for the budget ones. Cant see that happening due to the heat. The dual cores were a hell of a lot hotter than single cores so a quad core would need water as minimum if on same architecture
 
AMD just need to make some minor revisions to K8 (which there doing as we speak) and shrink down to 65nm, get the clocks up and fix some minor errors and theres conroe pretty much handled, damage limitation in other words, so by the end of the year intel will have quad core market to themselves but AMD will be much closer even equal to core 2 duo in terms of sheer performance

Edit: K8L is basically a number crunching monster :p
 
Zefan said:
It'll probably come out on AM2 first, but it would make sense if it didn't work properly until used on the K8L (with ddr3) as this is in the pipeline on the same sort of level as this socket.
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Won't it come out on socket F instead? :confused:
 
does anyone have a direct comparison between core 2 duo and X2 at same clock speed, with same DDR2 memory, same GFX, etc? curious just how big the gap is :)
 
Minstadave said:
No, but I did hear rumblings that AM3 boards may take AM2 CPUs.
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AM3 boards will not take AM2 CPUs because socket AM3 only supports DDR3. The current AM2 CPUs only have a DDR2 memory controller.

This is how it should go (and is a very good upgrade path):

AM2 CPU - AM2 Mobo - DDR2 Memory
AM3 CPU - AM2 Mobo - DDR2 Memory
AM3 CPU - AM3 Mobo - DDR3 Memory

The AM3 CPU's (the first ones should be 65nm K8L core) have a dual DDR2/DDR3 memory controller, and, as DDR2 and DDR3 are pin compatible, your DDR2 AM2 motherboard will support the K8L running with DDR2.


taz488 said:
slightly confused here but will my msi k9n neo mobo be upgradeable to am3 and ddr3?
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The motherboard should be upgradable to an AM3 processor (will probably need a BIOS update) but running in DDR2 mode. Your motherboard will not take DDR3 memory.
Hope that helps


NB: In the above i use the term AM3 CPU very loosely as AM3 is a socket, not a cpu. There maybe different AM3 supporting CPU's be it K8L or K10 etc.
 
Defcon5 said:
How much of a benefit will using HTT instead of FSB have with all these cores?
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Higher bandwidth, lower latency. That is with regards to the memory.
With regard to the 2 dual-cores co-operating (if the Opty does use HTT and the Kentsfield FSB) then it will be a similar situation. Not sure what it will do performance wise for either. At home desktop level it probably won't matter much, Kentsfield should still be a good way ahead. It may have less of an advantage than Conroe does, or it may have more. Just have to wait and see i guess.

Wait for K8L and then see about quad-core. It will be the first native quad-core design and withh be using AMD's new architecture.
 
Its_Me said:
As usual back t othe fan boy style posts :mad:


Dual cores and quad cores will mean nothing to us for a while, we only just starting to see games that can make use (not fully) on dual cores.

Anyway, yes Intel have finaly pulled ahead of the K8.
Its always been like this since the start, one then the other - but overall Intel is massive in comparison to AMD.


We all need both AMD and Intel as they both try to push the envelope and out perform each other.

Its all good IMO, finaly we have got both major players working with higher IPC then raw GHz.
I don't consider Quad cores of any immediate interest, to anything but the server market.
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While I agree with where you are coming from completely , in that Intel have vastly more money in comparison to AMD for research etc etc, I think AMD where worth around $5Bn before they took over ATI, but the cost of the takeover was rumoured to be $5.4Bn, so maybe the former valuation is out by some way.

Either way I would guestimate the new company is worth at least $8Bn ( even if the whole doesnt equal the sum of the parts) , at least 75% would be a good guess.

So in one stroke at least in market value AMD got a lot closer to Intel than could have been forseeable even 12 months ago
 
thanks kamakazie!, it makes perfect sense, it goes like this...

i have am2 cpu, am2 mobo and ddr2 ram...

i can upgrade my cpu to am3 as it fits am2 and supports ddr2 as well as ddr3, so now i have...

am3 cpu, am2 mobo still and ddr2 ram...

now i want to upgrade to ddr3 i need new am3 mobo but can keep my am3 cpu as it is am3 and supports ddr3, so then ill have fully upgraded to the next cpu socket and ddr3 ram...

am3 cpu, am3 mobo and ddr3 ram


hope this help who ever sed that doesnt make sense and people who have just bought am2 and are wondering how their future upgrades might go. and i hope your telling the truth mr kamakazie ;)
 
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