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AMD or intel - reliability?

The server/workstation people will sing Intel's praises until Judgement Day, purely because for most of the history of CPU/chipset production, Intel have had the market to themselves based on their technical superiority. They were the best at what they did and they earned their rightful position.

When AMD arrived, their initial chipset support - both homegrown and predominantly from VIA - was shocking. Instabilities and general poo-ness meant a lot of OEM integrators veered well away from them.

Recently, however, AMD's chipset support has become a lot more comprehensive in terms of feature set and reliability for the average user and it's almost a non-question for the AMD64 line of CPUs. Some blinding server-class hardware has meant that their enterprise-level stuff outperforms Intel's in a lot of areas, too. However, Intel will always have the better marketing department and ensure that the people who spend the money in big corporations buy Intel. My older brother has a massive IT budget to play with in the company he works for but they won't but AMD because there aren't any big vendors offering AMD with any type of support network in place - all the biggies use Intel. Even though they know that - at server level- Opterons can deal with a lot more than Xeons.

To the average user that builds their own computer, there will always be issues because of forgotten drivers, poor configurations and conflicts that remain unresolved, leaving the chipset to take the blame for the owner's incmopetance/forgetfulness. As most poor enthusiasts of a few years ago tended to buy Athlons because of their price:overclocking potential, we had to make do with hardware that wasn't as well integrated as our Intel counterparts.

And by the way - not so long ago, Tom's Hardware used to be Intel's plaything up until a few months after AMD brought out A64 - the boys in green couldn't do anything right up until that point. It's all swings and roundabouts - I think any website/magazine would be hard pressed to prove complete objectivity, especially with all the free samples, beta-hardware, corporate lunches and whatnot flying around.

Just as all the jokes about ATi's substandard graphics cards were silences with the 9700 series only to be replaced by poor driver support jibes, just as Nvidia were laughed off the stage for their Geforce5800 offering and then made us all eat our underwear gussets with the 6800/7800 series', it's irrelevant now.

We as consumers are in a very good position at the moment (if not financially - I've just taken a look at the middle-end graphics card market and had a heart attack just doing so) in terms of quality - we've never had reliability and performance in such spadefuls and we can buy what performs best for what we want. Just don't go thinking that - if you want to make your own videos or music, you need a Mac - PCs are just as good, if not a lot better than them... if not as pretty.
 
mrthingyx said:
My older brother has a massive IT budget to play with in the company he works for but they won't but AMD because there aren't any big vendors offering AMD with any type of support network in place - all the biggies use Intel. Even though they know that - at server level- Opterons can deal with a lot more than Xeons.

*Cough* hasn't your brother ever heard of HP or Sun or IBM? All offer Opteron boxes with full support.

Just got a HP 585 with Quad dual core Opteron 275's and 32GB of RAM here, full HP warranty.

Seeing as there are only 4 big name server and workstation vendors, all of them except Dell offer Opteron solutions with *FULL* support and have done for some time now.
 
Biffa said:
*Cough* hasn't your brother ever heard of HP or Sun or IBM? All offer Opteron boxes with full support.

Just got a HP 585 with Quad dual core Opteron 275's and 32GB of RAM here, full HP warranty.

Seeing as there are only 4 big name server and workstation vendors, all of them except Dell offer Opteron solutions with *FULL* support and have done for some time now.

HP have a history of using unique parts within their systems, and their prices reflect the inability to buy parts outside HP. £60 for a 4 pin PWM case fan is an example. My X4200 workstation/server is going to cost a bomb to upgrade.
 
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THG, AMD fanboys? A few months back everyone was whinging about how they were Intel pimps, running 4 threads in their dual core showdown to show up the AMD products.

Computers now are very reliable. If set up properly, you should never see a CPU- or chipset- related crash from any Intel or AMD system - certainly not with respected motherboard manufacturers.
 
Mattus said:
Computers now are very reliable. If set up properly, you should never see a CPU- or chipset- related crash from any Intel or AMD system - certainly not with respected motherboard manufacturers.
QFE, strange how many people form an opinion about a CPU manufacturer from more than 5 years ago and neglect to update that opinion especially in the rapidly advancing technological climate that the PC lives in. :cool:

The thread title is a leading question but it has no basis nowadays.
 
megatron said:
QFE, strange how many people form an opinion about a CPU manufacturer from more than 5 years ago and neglect to update that opinion especially in the rapidly advancing technological climate that the PC lives in. :cool:

The thread title is a leading question but it has no basis nowadays.

Even more form that opinion just because they have something different on board. I used some second rate thermal paste on my home system and endured half a dozen thermal shutdowns. It left carbon deposits in the 775 socket that screwed the motherboard. The Pentium is still rock solid, runs like a dream, and can only be discribed as bullet proof. Five years ago i would have had a mushroom cloud over the house. I don't know about AMD stuff, but Intel have taken great steps to incorperated protection against stupidity by people like me.
 
Intel / AMD CPUs themselves appear to be pretty much identical in stability under ideal circumstances, when the heat starts increasing I've found Intel carry on going like troopers and AMD processors start to crumble. However adequate cooling nullifies that point 99% of the time.

Intel chipsets however, are in another league. They're brilliant, stable, reliable, and very compatible. Compatability is something that seems to be ignored far too often. If you buy something to go in your PC, and you have an Intel chipset, then it'll work. AMD chipsets can vary quite wildly.

However, if you get a nice branded OEM machine with words like 'Server' or 'Workstation' then I'd be pretty confident buying an AMD system. I've yet to personally build a reliable AMD system, but every Intel system I've built has given me no grief.

I think the forum threads speak for the CPUs though. You get a lot of 'memory problem', 'X doesn't work', 'not performing as it should', 'not working with X' with AMD systems, or non Intel-chipset based Intel systems. I haven't actually seen more than a handful of issues with Intel chipset based systems. Curiously the Xbox 360 uses a SiS chipset and is having problems (no doubt they'll be fixed, but its still curious).
 
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Dennisthemenace said:
HP have a history of using unique parts within their systems, and their prices reflect the inability to buy parts outside HP. £60 for a 4 pin PWM case fan is an example. My X4200 workstation/server is going to cost a bomb to upgrade.

Thats irrelevant to the point I was discussing. However if your case fan breaks in an HP they will replace it free of charge if its under warranty or has a carepack. I'm not advocating HP per-se, just refuting the statement that no major vendors offer AMD systems with any "type of support network in place".
 
Ive used both and i havnt had problems with either tbh.

Intel non-cpu parts (network cards for example) tend to be 100% bulletproof from experiance though.
 
BoomAM said:
Intel non-cpu parts (network cards for example) tend to be 100% bulletproof from experiance though.
*shoots network card with a gun*
really? :p

Anyways, can't really comment, only had AMD systems, but they have all been fine.
 
Robbo123 said:
Hey Guys,

Wondered what was most reliable out of Pentiums and Athlon 64's?


if you go back ten years ago i would have said intel, but both companies have come a long way and the manufacturing processes involved are very complex, hence they are now at a point where they are no more or less relaiable than each other.
 
I had an Athlon XP 900 IIRC, it was just not reliable, crashing all the time. this was replaced by an early P4, worked perfectly. I then built an intel dual p4 xeon workstation, worked flawlessly, and still does to this day.

As I started doing a bit more onling gaming, i decided to have a go at the A64 route. I bought a A64 3500, and all the trimmings, it worked ok but I would still get the occational hanging when in games etc. :(

I Stripped this down and sold the parts to fund a Dual core Intel based system, and have been using this system to this day without flaw.

I'm going to be upgrading this PC in the next 2 months time, based on my previous experiences, i'll be going the Intel route again.
 
ajgoodfellow said:
Then it simply wasn't setup correctly or you were using incompatible parts

Damn it! I knew i'd missed something when i'd been spending hours fault finding it.
 
Faulty memory?

Yes, you've had a lot of bad luck with AMD but I just feel that you've been unlucky. I've had more problems with Intel then AMD, but that's mainly down to poorly designed OEM cooling solutions with nasty SiS based motherboards (and not down the the CPU)

I wouldn't say one is any more reliable than the other, save perhaps heat issues on the Prescott core requiring beefy cooling
 
Memory was fine.

I wouldn't say it's unlucky tbh, as every system i've built using Intel kit has been nothing other than stellar, where the AMD ones have always had niggles.

Now, this may change soon enough, as previously all Intel based systems of mine have been based on Intel chipset mobo's etc.

When we start to see intel based mobo's using nVidia / via / ATi chipsets, that will be the real test.

But until then, my opinion still stands that Intel based PC's are more reliable and robust. :)
 
Started off with an intel celeron 2.4 back in th day and i have to say that i loved that chip. I stressed it to the last and it hardly messed me up, especially when i needed it.
Now i have an Intel 3.2Prescott and as you would expect heat is the only problem i have. It works flawlwssly and i dont think i could ask for more. However i ould like to get my hands on one of these new conroe based chips. Looking foward to it
 
NathanE said:
Intel chipsets are legendary for their stability. VIA and Nforce are, quite frankly, a joke in comparison. Intel believes ATI's chipsets are the second most stable because when they had a chipset shortage they started outfitting some of their motherboards with ATI chipsets.

We are talking about CPU's, not chipsets dude ;)
 
Reliability is whole or nothing. You can't talk about the "reliability" of only the processor. It's the whole system. Motherboard, chipset, CPU, the works.

AMD/Intel CPUs are identical in reliability. It is the chipsets that often let down AMD CPUs. Not AMD's fault though.
 
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