AMD or Intel

PhoenixUK · 5 Nov 2010 at 23:39

VFM Addict said:
Just to clarify - Bulldozer will not be backward compatible but its new socket (AM3+) will be. So you could for example roll to the new platform by first buying the new AM3+ mobo and initially using just your current AM3 processor in it. Later you could buy a Bulldozer cpu perhaps once he best oc’ing models or steppings have been identified.

He could take the RAM over and probably cooler too. So might be just CPU/mobo swap.

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ATIorNvidia said:
The X6 is much slower than the i5's/i7's

It's not much slower, if you had both of them running next to each other, you won't be able to tell the difference without looking at the benchmarks or sitting there with a stopwatch and counting every second.

I mean, on avarage, you'll be looking at like 5-6minutes difference on 2hr audio encode. Even if it was 10-15minutes, you still wouldn't notice that kind of difference without standing there with a stopwatch all the time.

Maybe we just know different meanings of the word 'much' but for me if you say MUCH SLOWER then I would guess it's around 30-50% at least??

Scotty-D · 5 Nov 2010 at 23:53

Would these parts all fit and work together?

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Asus Crosshair IV Extreme AMD 890FX (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard

AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1090T Black Edition 3.20GHz (Socket AM3)

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD Sound Card (70SB127000001)

LG E2250V 22" Widescreen LED Monitor - Black - X2

Corsair Dominator GT 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C7 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMG4GX3M2A1600C7) - X2

Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 600W Power Supply

Corsair Hydro H70 High-Performance CPU WaterCooler

wannabedamned · 6 Nov 2010 at 00:14

ATIorNvidia said:
The X6 is much slower than the i5's/i7's when it's 6 cores arent being fully utilised, and when they are, the X6 is either equal or just slightly better, I would take 4 strong cores anyday over 6 weak cores, single and dual threaded applications DO exist you know, and will do for a very, very long time.

They are being fully utilized though. Even I7 wont keep up in cubase 5.5 when 6 cores are in use. HT or not. Not much difference! But cost wise it makes I7 a silly choice. This is a thread asking specific questions, for a program with hex optimization.

With regards to your choice OP. Its a wet dream.

2 screens though with 8gb. Nice! Do you record you own stuff? 2 screens is going to be fantastic, I do guitar, vocals and syth drums, 2 screens is just so damn good, after a week of using them, you'll wonder how you got by without.

Just thought i better mention there are better sound cards than the Xifi Titanium. M-audio for instance do some, But there is by no means anything wrong with the card you've chosen.

It's a bit similar to when you get graphics cards. Quattro and Matrox make the best graphics cards for editing graphics, But AMD and Nvidia make the best for most stuff and they're pretty damn good when it comes to graphics too. (I am slightly drunk so I may be rambling

But I think you get what Im saying)

Scotty-D · 6 Nov 2010 at 00:23

wannabedamned said:
They are being fully utilized though. Even I7 wont keep up in cubase 5.5 when 6 cores are in use. HT or not. Not much difference! But cost wise it makes I7 a silly choice. This is a thread asking specific questions, for a program with hex optimization.

With regards to your choice OP. Its a wet dream.

2 screens though with 8gb. Nice! Do you record you own stuff? 2 screens is going to be fantastic, I do guitar, vocals and syth drums, 2 screens is just so damn good, after a week of using them, you'll wonder how you got by without.

Just thought i better mention there are better sound cards than the Xifi Titanium. M-audio for instance do some, But there is by no means anything wrong with the card you've chosen.

It's a bit similar to when you get graphics cards. Quattro and Matrox make the best graphics cards for editing graphics, But AMD and Nvidia make the best for most stuff and they're pretty damn good when it comes to graphics too. (I am slightly drunk so I may be rambling But I think you get what Im saying)

I'm just about to grab some beer now mate. Maybe you can give me some lessons on how to put all this stuff together lol. I do create my own music yes Cubase is a dream.

franco_22 · 6 Nov 2010 at 08:59

ATIorNvidia said:
The X6 is much slower than the i5's/i7's

I suggest you go look at benchmarks before you make misleading statements like that, unless your version of much slower is 2-10FPS/3-6 minutes. If you can justify spending an extra £200 on an i7 when you factor in MB and RAM costs because of 2-10fps a wise investment.

modez · 6 Nov 2010 at 12:51

Scotty-D said:
I am currently building a new system from the ground up but I am unsure of what CPU is best. Can anyone advise me of the difference between AMD and Intel based systems?

AMD vs Intel Desktops: Same Performance, $900 cheaper!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4yxKNWehU

psychas · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:03

Scotty-D said:
Would these parts all fit and work together?

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Asus Crosshair IV Extreme AMD 890FX (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard

dont buy extreme buy formula its the same thing only extreme has hydra chip that is not particularly useful

chipps101 · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:03

modez said:
AMD vs Intel Desktops: Same Performance, $900 cheaper!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4yxKNWehU

have you actually read any of the thread ?

the system he is building is for music production which is a very cpu intensive task, so what exactly does a 2 year old video showing that call of duty 4 is gpu limited and not cpu limited have to do with this thread in any way ?

Scotty-D · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:12

psychas said:
dont buy extreme buy formula its the same thing only extreme has hydra chip that is not particularly useful

Thanks for the advice and will do. In currently stuck on choosing a PSU at the moment. I may end up putting a half decent GPU in the setup as i may want to play Blu-Ray movies now and again.

Any advice on a PSU? I would like the best one as I want this computer to last for some time.

chipps101 · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:14

the ocz modxstream 500w i listed in my spec is a very solid psu.

Scotty-D · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:18

psychas said:
dont buy extreme buy formula its the same thing only extreme has hydra chip that is not particularly useful

I just looked at the spec of both but the new extreme allows for 1600Mhz memory the Formula does not.

modez · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:20

chipps101 said:
have you actually read any of the thread ?

the system he is building is for music production which is a very cpu intensive task, so what exactly does a 2 year old video showing that call of duty 4 is gpu limited and not cpu limited have to do with this thread in any way ?

Regardless whether it is music production or not it is still relevant. Why spend so much more money on Intel when he can get the same performance on AMD.

Yes, I have the threads and if you look at the original first thread it states 'can you tell me the difference between the AMD and the Intel'. I think you misunderstood the link. It is not about the gaming it is about looking at the differences between the two CPU's.

Scotty-D · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:20

chipps101 said:
the ocz modxstream 500w i listed in my spec is a very solid psu.

What exactly would 500W support this is the problem I'm having. What wattage to buy?

psychas · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:39

Scotty-D said:
I just looked at the spec of both but the new extreme allows for 1600Mhz memory the Formula does not.

yes it does u can go up 2000mhz on formula if not higher. is the same board just hydra chip. im runing 1600mhz on formula.

about the psu if you going to use single card i go for corsair 650w , i wouldn't go 500w with spec you have.

edit: http://uk.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=kPGmtxee5RsQVsXG&templete=2

look ur self it supports 2000mhz

PhoenixUK · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:48

Don't bother with the expensive mobos or dominator GT ram, the patriot is just as good for a fraction of the price.

Unless you're pushing your gear to the limits on high end water or LN2 / DICE it won't really make much difference, you'll maybe push like 100mhz extra and that's it if any.

franco_22 · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:55

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-CS

Your power supply. Don't cheap out on the psu if you're building a 1090t or i7 rig.

chipps101 · 6 Nov 2010 at 13:58

modez said:
Regardless whether it is music production or not it is still relevant. Why spend so much more money on Intel when he can get the same performance on AMD.

Yes, I have the threads and if you look at the original first thread it states 'can you tell me the difference between the AMD and the Intel'. I think you misunderstood the link. It is not about the gaming it is about looking at the differences between the two CPU's.

and with the two cpu's featured in the link you have posted, the phenom 9950 and the q9650, the difference would be anywhere between 20% and 50% depending on the application.

the call of duty 4 test in that link would have ran pretty much the same on top end dual cores from either intel or amd with crossfire 4870's as it does with the quads in that test as it really isn't a cpu limited game at all.

i am not arguing about intel vs amd and you can see i listed an amd processor in the spec i listed, i am arguing the relevance of the link you posted.

chipps101 · 6 Nov 2010 at 14:15

Scotty-D said:
What exactly would 500W support this is the problem I'm having. What wattage to buy?

that psu would easily run the spec i listed and would handle a mid range gfx card also without problems, if you are going to add a high end gfx card then look at a 600w+ psu.

Scotty-D · 6 Nov 2010 at 22:47

psychas said:
yes it does u can go up 2000mhz on formula if not higher. is the same board just hydra chip. im runing 1600mhz on formula.

about the psu if you going to use single card i go for corsair 650w , i wouldn't go 500w with spec you have.

edit: http://uk.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=kPGmtxee5RsQVsXG&templete=2

look ur self it supports 2000mhz

On the Mobo description it states 2000Mhz(OC) what exactly does that mean? Does OC stand for you have to have standard 1600Mhz and overclock it to 2000Mhz?

PhoenixUK · 7 Nov 2010 at 14:43

Scotty-D said:
On the Mobo description it states 2000Mhz(OC) what exactly does that mean? Does OC stand for you have to have standard 1600Mhz and overclock it to 2000Mhz?

It just means that you can oc ur mem up too 2000mhz. Nothing for you to worry about, even mobos that just say 1600 will do more if needed.