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AMD Phenom II Review

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Pretty good, especially at the price it should come in at. :)

Q9550 has a hefty 12MB cache too.
 
nice looking to upgrade the 2180, so will it b cheaper to go new Mainboard+PhenomII or q9550 for existing board?

what are the decent OC'ing mainboards for these PhenomII's t the moment?
 
errm, those percentages are in favour of the INtel chips by the way, and price doesn't make those good as a OEM Q9550 is only £230-240 and that will be the same cost as the P2 940.

Though frankly I don't think the numbers are hugely useful or accurate. It puts it on par in most gaming at cpu limits. Looks like the 940's might overclock very very nicely though on air which could be where they win with some even better speeds on water.


I wouldn't take those numbers as certain in any way at all though. FOr instance, the Far Cry 2 numbers, the I7 blows it away at low res, while an single resolution bump destroys performance and leaves the P2 way ahead, it just doesn't sound remotely possible, especially given those numbers which don't tie up to any other review using farcry to be quite honest. In other words, most likely junk.
 
That’s a poor review for the Phenom :confused: The Q9550 is 200MHz slower so that accounts for some % loss, and its competing with the older tech from Intel, not looking good I feel.
 
Lets see now.
A bit slower in most things than a core 2.
Core 2 is of course Intels old tech and we have i7 now which is quite a bit faster.

So AMD's latest and greatest is not as good as Intels second team.
I say sack the manager.
 
Lets see now.
A bit slower in most things than a core 2.
Core 2 is of course Intels old tech and we have i7 now which is quite a bit faster.

So AMD's latest and greatest is not as good as Intels second team.
I say sack the manager.

I think you're missing the point - i7 is overpriced as a platform, not just as a cpu.

For 95% of users a better priced comparable cpu (Phenom) is a much wiser choice, why would you need any more power than a Phenom II?

You'd be mad to spend a small fortune on an i7, it just doesn't make fiscal sense... unless you strive for e-peen status?

As a platform the i7 is twice the price of the Phenom, do you get 50% more performance? No chance.
 
http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3189&garpg=23

as i said, incompetant tester, trust none of the numbers. that far cry 2 benchie shows at 1280x1024 the i7 is at 130+ fps, the phenom is stuck at 90, at 1680x1050, the i7 is stuck at 50fps, the phenom is getting 60. Makes no sense, firstly 1680x1050 is hardly a massive steup up to a 260 216sp card, neither does the low Phenom fps at 1280x1024. They guy just seems completely incompetant frankly.
 
As a general rule : AMD/ATI = cheaper and great value for money.

More often than not - if you want the best but are willing to pay a bit or sometimes a lot more then Intel and nVIDIA.

Sewn up.
 
will it be cheaper for me to get new quad 775 cpu rather than new board+phenomII as the i7 will require new ram as well and is not really cost effective at the moment

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ordered 9550 can't wait any longer got it for £240 so not to bad
 
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I do get the point.
Lots off folks think that new tech should equate to better performance and i agree with them.
To release your latest tech that isn't as good as your competitors previous tech is a FAIL.

By all means have the budget chips and duke it out at the bottom end but you need to have the performance to sell your brand to enthusiasts.
Now they might not make up a big part of the market overall but they are extremely influentual.

Where is AMD's pride ?
A once mighty company now making value brand chips.

Like many others i was eagerly awaiting the 'return of the rebels' but it isn't to be i fear.
 
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I think you're missing the point - i7 is overpriced as a platform, not just as a cpu.

For 95% of users a better priced comparable cpu (Phenom) is a much wiser choice, why would you need any more power than a Phenom II?

You'd be mad to spend a small fortune on an i7, it just doesn't make fiscal sense... unless you strive for e-peen status?

As a platform the i7 is twice the price of the Phenom, do you get 50% more performance? No chance.

Your missing the point too. The Bench wasnt comparing an i7, it was a Yorkfield. Until intel phase out Yorkfield, then Phenom II isnt competing with i7 platform. Its competing with Yorkfield. Anyone with an existing Yorkfield compatible motherboard might as well slap in a Yorkfield quad, rather than make a switch to AMD/Phenom II.

The only people Phenom II will really interest is people who already have an AMD system, and that sure isnt 95% of people. People with an out of date system might as well just toss a coin to select between a PhenomII 940 and a Intel Q9450/9550 setup.
 
http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3189&garpg=23

as i said, incompetant tester, trust none of the numbers. that far cry 2 benchie shows at 1280x1024 the i7 is at 130+ fps, the phenom is stuck at 90, at 1680x1050, the i7 is stuck at 50fps, the phenom is getting 60. Makes no sense, firstly 1680x1050 is hardly a massive steup up to a 260 216sp card, neither does the low Phenom fps at 1280x1024. They guy just seems completely incompetant frankly.

A lot of people have been questioning the testing & really got to wait & see a wider range of reviews when the chip is out.
 
q9550 upgrade but wait ! new q9550 coming soon with 65w :eek:

Intel plans to introduce three new low power Quad cores and they will all fit under 65W boot which is much better than any quad-core today.


All three 65W quad core CPUs are Yorkfield, Core 2 Quad 45nm based and the fastest one Core 2 Quad Q9550s will run at 2.83GHz and it supports FSB 1333 and 12MB of memory.

The second in line is Q9400s clocked at 2.66GHz with FSB 1333 and 6MB cache support again it's a 65W, 45nm, Yorkfield based CPU.

The slowest one is Q9200s clocked at 2.33Hz with FSB 1333 and 4MB cache and they should all be available as early as January. The planet loving people will now have a decent quad-core that will save the earth and overclockers can hope that this lower TDP part should probably overclock better.

Source:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10660&Itemid=66

correct me if im wrong but does the phenom 2 the fastes quad core uses 130w? so double the amount then new 45 nm quadcores coming this and next month
 
i'm not normally one to say things like Fudzilla and fail but, the Q6600 when it got a lower power version was all of 10W lighter in power, after 4 months of production, a 65W chip is unlikely, unless they do the incredibly expected thing and simply change the way they measure the output.

People talk about the Q9XXX series being far lower power than the old tech Q6600, but its really not, ok that review is bogus, but puts the power usage between a Q6600 and a Q9XXX at very close.

The fact is whatever you rate the chip as in wattage means nothing, it overclocks how it overclocks, its as fast as it is and costs not hugely different costs to run. a 3Ghz quad core will cost a similar amount to run no matter how you cut it, AMD already have, i believe 45W quad cores(or were they 65w) but at 2Ghz low power editions.


I also don't think the new P2's will use 130W, again these are just arbitrary numbers, and numbers both companies don't measure in the same way at all. In the past Intel always gave their average usage numbers, and AMD always measured max power used underload which were vastly different. They've officially changed those numbers now, both companies but what they really measure is anyones guess. If, and its a big if, they could knock a 95W quad down to 65W, I'd expect maybe an upgraded speedstep to be responsible in bringing the average numbers down. Maybe they've added a couple lower multi's so it can go to a lower clock speed when clocked down, or a batch that can run at more stable lower voltages so it can drop an extra 0.1/0.2v under speedstep again bringing the average numbers down.
 
I can't see how they've got a Q9550 with the full 12MB cache down to 65W, I call BS on that one.

Q9xxx were more efficient than Q6600 but Intel added more cache with performance in mind rather than power saving.
 
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