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AMD Ryzen 5 QC 1400

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Hi all

Few weeks back I was looking at getting the G4560 CPU but a few people have said wait for Ryzen, I am now wanting to know people's opinions on maybe scrapping the G4560 plan and using the Quad Core 1400 3.4ghz CPU

Silly question.... Will I need to go a whole different route with parts or do AMD and Intel fit with other parts, ie Do certain MOBO's go better with AMD than they do with Intel and same with other parts
 
Not a silly question at all. Intel and AMD, although share motherboard manufacturers, rely on different CPU sockets and chipsets.

If you're looking for a Ryzen CPU, you'll need to pair it with an A/B/X370 motherboard. The Intel chip, as it's from the Kabylake series of processors, will require a B/H/Z270 motherboard (although an equivalent x170 motherboard may also work). The different matters at the start of the motherboard designations determine features/overclocking ability/price. If you're unsure of what motherboard you need, I'm sure we would be able to help you pick a suitable one.

Thankfully, both types of CPU run on the same DDR4 RAM, so there's no difference there at least.
 
If you are going for the R5 1400 (£165 at pverclockers), then I think you should just go for the cheapest B350 motherboard you can find (£80 at overclockers). This will be more expensive than a G4560 and a cheap 1151 motherboard, but the performance is worth it (£245 vs £130).

The remaining parts as mentioned are the same between AMD and Intel. So you'd still be getting DDR4 RAM, a graphics card, a case, hard drive and a power supply.
 
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My advice would be to spend slightly more on the 1500X. The 1400 is the only Ryzen chip which has significant cutbacks beyond just cores, as it's also missing half its L3 cache (it only has 8MB versus the 1500X's 16MB). For the sake of £20, it seems like a bad tradeoff.

Either one would be much better than the G4560 though. As good as it is for the money, it's still a dual core CPU, it's still 2017 and it chokes really badly in some of the more CPU-intensive titles. I bought one myself, as I was between CPUs and just plain curious given the hype, and ended up ditching it after a week. The minimum framerates and microstutter don't result in a good experience, and it's going to age like milk (just as the previous bargain Haswell Pentium did).
 
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The R5 1400 is on a single CCX. No infinity fabric issues and do can go with cheaper RAM. 8MB L3 cache is plenty for a quad core.

I'd take the 1400 over the 1500X.

1500X is a dud chip, becuase it is just below the 1600 where you get 50% more cores/threads.
 
I thought that in tests infinity fabric creates very little real world performance issues, and balanced up against less cache it wouldn't really matter (or performance may be worse in certain situations).

I know it's a lot of money to a lot of people, but the extra money for a 1500 or 1600 would very much be worth it in terms of performance and CPU longevity. You could still stick with a cheaper motherboard and overclock the CPU as well (one of the great selling points of Ryzen).
 
Few mixed opinions here, is there a lot of difference between the 1400 and 1500x for the extra 20quid ish, is the X like the K of Intel with overclocking unlocked
 
Not quite - all of the Ryzen chips overclock, and the X usually denotes that the base and boost clocks on the CPU are higher than their non-X counterpart. However, as 8 Pack attests to in the following thread, that doesn't mean the overclocking performance is any different:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...smash-the-competition-is-da-mission.18775939/

From what I have read, the general consensus is that if you want a quad core, the 1500X is the better bet for as extra £25. But then if you're buying the 1500X, it's only an extra £30 for the 1600, which will give you another two cores. However, after that, you'd have to spend another £80 for the 8 core 1700, which may be overkill and is getting on for twice the price of the 1400.

What are you going to be using your PC for? That might help determine which CPU is right for you.
 
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Not quite - all of the Ryzen chips overclock, and the X usually denotes that the base and boost clocks on the CPU are higher than their non-X counterpart. However, as 8 Pack attests to in the following thread, that doesn't mean the overclocking performance is any different:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...smash-the-competition-is-da-mission.18775939/

From what I have read, the general consensus is that if you want a quad core, the 1500X is the better bet for as extra £25. But then if you're buying the 1500X, it's only an extra £30 for the 1600, which will give you another two cores. However, after that, you'd have to spend another £80 for the 8 core 1700, which may be overkill and is getting on for twice the price of the 1400.

What are you going to be using your PC for? That might help determine which CPU is right for you.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me I wasn't sure if the X meant unlocked..... The PC will be used for Gaming, Euro Truck Sim 2 and Racing games mostly, my missus may use it from time to time for Internet, I want it to be good enough for the next few years as you know new releases may come out in time ie Project Cars 2 etc
 
muon said:
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The R5 1400 is on a single CCX. No infinity fabric issues and do can go with cheaper RAM.
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Nope, wrong.

After speaking with AMD this afternoon we’ve confirmed that AMD is disabling cores in symmetrical pairs only and that all Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 processors use the same exact die. This means that you’ll end up with 4:4, 3:3 ,2:2 CCX arrangement and different amounts of L3 and L2 (512kb/core) cache on some of the processors. No Ryzen 5 series processors will be shipping with a 4:0 or 0:4 CCX arrangement like some were thinking.
  • Ryzen 5 1400: 4 cores (2+2), 8 threads, 8MB L3 (split 4MB per CCX), 2MB L2, 3.2GHz to 3.4GHz, $169
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http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-5-cores-are-disabled-in-symmetrical-pairs_192827

No point in buying a gimped chip for the sake of £20. Either buy the 1500X or the 1600. The 1400 is a waste of time.
 
muon said:
The article I read was wrong then. Seems bizarre not to just give the 16MB L3 cache though.
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They'll almost certainly be harvested chips with some partially-defective cache. No reason to just bin them when you can laser off the faulty bit and sell them as a lower SKU. It's a shame they put an end to the Phenom II days where they only disabled the faulty cores and cache via a soft lock, so you could unlock them in the BIOS and potentially get a free upgrade, since "faulty" doesn't always mean "useless". I ran my X3 720 as a quad core for years. The fourth core was definetly weak compared to the others (it wouldn't overclock anywhere near as much), but it was perfectly functional.
 
Minibiker said:
Thanks for clearing that up for me I wasn't sure if the X meant unlocked..... The PC will be used for Gaming, Euro Truck Sim 2 and Racing games mostly, my missus may use it from time to time for Internet, I want it to be good enough for the next few years as you know new releases may come out in time ie Project Cars 2 etc
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Assuming you use a 60Hz display then even the 1400 would be fine for games like those for the moment. I'd still agree with others that its worth an extra £20 for the 1500X though - you'll get more longevity out of it.
 
Agree with others saying 1500X would be worth it.

The other good thing about the AM4 B350 board for the 1500x is it gives you lots of options to upgrade in the future either with more cores or in 3 years time with the latest AMD tech.
 
Looks like I may just spend that extra £25 and get the 1500x I've seen a few videos that show the 1500x is on par with an overclocked i5
 
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