We should call it Myth Busters. Think the point is a new build will feel smoother on any new build with a fresh install and the difference between AMD vs Intel is tiny, so small its almost undetectable. The video just dispels the Myth. Check out more GN video's they are really one of the most unbiased reviews you'll find and they tend to use data rather than bias. Check LTT Jay vs Steve also just up. Pretty funny in places.
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AMD "Ryzen is Smoother" Misconception Benchmark & Explanation (Ryzen vs. Intel for Gaming)
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I have no problem generally with Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed. I watch and like (thumbs up) the majority of their YouTube videos, just not a fan of the way they test CPUs as it could not be further away from how I use my CPU and how I would like to see it tested (with regards to game testing).
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Maybe because he needs Intel to win, he's never been comfortable with AMD winning, you see its not proper, AMD are not of high status, you know what I'm saying?
It's this sort of snobbery that really makes me will AMD on
The only angle I can see is if you are purely gaming - right now the lowest latency and best performance comes from 6 core 12 thread rinsing the MHz in a lot of cases - but it is a kind of short sighted perspective - games are slowly moving to where 8 real cores are a something good to have.
EDIT: And if you really really must have the smoothest, lowest latency gaming experience then actually clocking the **** out of a hand tuned X79 system with the right Xeon (some can't overclock or have wrong bus architecture, etc.) and right RAM is where it is at due to certain things like core-to-core transports [latency].
I think you are missing the point a bit - he also did the 4790K recently - it is seeing how they compare against modern CPUs - though a round-up of older CPUs to see how they all fare now against modern stuff would be good.
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Think that's why the idea that "Ryzen is smoother" has persisted. Benchmark runs are done in isolation, often with no network access or anything else running, Windows services disabled etc. Back when Ryzen launched for me it was definitely smoother than anything Intel had on mainstream sockets. When I game sometimes I've got a few game launchers, an IDE or two, multiple browsers, possibly a Hyper V VM idling. I'm sure some malware infested normie's PC will be under as much load!
I am not missing any point. The comparison above is misleading lightly said. It's utter BS without any meaning except beefier bank account for Steve.
Lowest latency and best gaming performance.
Interesting choice of word's, the latency is the cause of the gaming performance difference, other than that there is no latency involved. Why use those two things in a sentence as if they are not the result of the same thing.
There is a reason why the video title says "in 2020" - the main purpose of the video is to see how well that approach AMD took then holds up against modern CPUs today. Having some other older CPUs in there wouldn't go amiss but it isn't the main purpose of the video which is to show how much or not things have moved on for owners of those CPUs.
Same point, the Intel CPU's from the same eara are missing, the point of his video was to validate AMD's future proff claim, if you're going to use comparisons for that you wouldn't use the latest and greatest of today, the idea that a 8 year old CPU is expected to keep up with the best is ludicrous.
Where are the competitors CPU's of the day?
I've went through phases of being passionate about hardware (usually when I'm due an upgrade) but in the last 8 to 10yrs I've never once stopped to look at 1080p performance. I've always skipped to 1440p benchmarks.
Now that it seems reviewers are delving into more technical crap like frametimes to try and differentiate better between cpus that are pretty much unnoticeabley different (except for cost).
What bugs me is that everyone says how amazing PC gaming is but we spend time looking at benchmarks for games that any gamer worth his salt would have completed 5 years ago.
I mean Witcher 3. Yawn!.
It's really a case of picking a cpu budget and picking whatever most recent cpu falls within. I don't think anyone would know any difference if they did a blind test.
I'd like to see someone on YouTube build two 2080ti pcs. One Intel and one AMD. Stick them out of sight and then get someone to use each one for a week and see if they can actually tell the difference.
Now that it seems reviewers are delving into more technical crap like frametimes to try and differentiate better between cpus that are pretty much unnoticeabley different (except for cost).
What bugs me is that everyone says how amazing PC gaming is but we spend time looking at benchmarks for games that any gamer worth his salt would have completed 5 years ago.
I mean Witcher 3. Yawn!.
It's really a case of picking a cpu budget and picking whatever most recent cpu falls within. I don't think anyone would know any difference if they did a blind test.
I'd like to see someone on YouTube build two 2080ti pcs. One Intel and one AMD. Stick them out of sight and then get someone to use each one for a week and see if they can actually tell the difference.
Stevie-boy full of **** as usual. He has a hate boner for anything AMD related and I don't know why. He just can't go on for long without creating AMD-strawmen to tear down.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/i9guwb/on_the_current_prevalence_of_gns_ryzen_is/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/i9guwb/on_the_current_prevalence_of_gns_ryzen_is/
As AMD keep up the good work, and perhaps keep improving vs the competition strawmen like this will get louder and more inventive.
Balanced factual and measured rebuttals just like this Redit post are the right way to chip away at their credibility, shouting and mindlessly screaming at them plays right into thier "criticism is fan boy'ism" narrative.
Their credibility is critical to them, without credibility they have nothing..
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Game reviews exists. They're quite well done. CPU, GPU scaling and even settings are broken down and tested for performance impact. https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews...c_performance_review_and_optimisation_guide/4
The point of CPU reviews is to test the CPU without any potential bottlenecks from the GPU. It's also why the fastest GPU available is used in the first place. To give the CPU as much breathing space as possible.
When you lift the bottleneck, it also gives you a general idea to see how long your cpu will stay relevant. If the CPU is a bottleneck today, then perhaps your next upgrade doesn't need to be a GPU first as the bottleneck would just get worse.
The point of CPU reviews is to test the CPU without any potential bottlenecks from the GPU. It's also why the fastest GPU available is used in the first place. To give the CPU as much breathing space as possible.
When you lift the bottleneck, it also gives you a general idea to see how long your cpu will stay relevant. If the CPU is a bottleneck today, then perhaps your next upgrade doesn't need to be a GPU first as the bottleneck would just get worse.
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I agree 100% with @Robert896r1
I often read a lot of comments complaining that the CPU isn't held back by today's slow graphics cards to make it 'real world'. The only way to accurately measure speed of a CPU is to remove such bottlenecks.
I often read a lot of comments complaining that the CPU isn't held back by today's slow graphics cards to make it 'real world'. The only way to accurately measure speed of a CPU is to remove such bottlenecks.
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The thing is, this whole Ryzen is smoother topic came up back in 2017, back when Intel's main 'gaming' line were i5's - 4c/4t CPUs, which were starting to feel the hit from games using more cores, and Windows using more cores for background tasks; inevitably causing stutter and hitches; most people's machines aren't anywhere near as clean as benchmarking machines, and Steve himself even made a video comparing clean vs non-clean/RGB software, and there were SPIKES. This was inevitably where the comments came from, you'd get a 8c/16th CPU or a 6c/12th Ryzen 1st Gen cpu fighting the average persons 4c/4th CPU, whilst running a busy, non ideal system. When stuff started firing off in the background, the Ryzen simply had more threads and cores to deal with this 'off topic' content so to speak. Steve forgets that most people do not run a machine objectively clean, they run it used with multiple tasks running in the background; in this case, the higher core and thread counts all start to make a difference. Not on average framerates, but on those spikes caused by background activity. Hell anyone who has been around long enough remembers how bad things like AV used to tank systems; this is just a continuation of this issue; cores/threads/io getting tied up by background processes; throw in more capacity and you hit those bottlenecks slower.
It's exactly the same reason as why many streamers found streaming caused lower framerate degradation on Ryzen CPUs, they had more cores and threads to allow the streaming to basically use a few cores whilst still offering the same number of cores to the game, therefore reducing thread/core dependency and sharing. Back in 2017, the Ryzen is smoother WAS true in many cases for many people, due to 'non ideal' software configuration and background tasks, and due to many people having 4c/4th i5s due to the 'i5s are enough for gaming' status quo at the time. They haven't aged well though by comparison!
Steve had a point with his video and topic, but he missed the mark with the exact point and comparisons being made. If he had focused more on the older comparative CPUs like the 4c/4th 3000-7000 Intel series chips, rather than the 8th ones and more modern CPUs, and on a less 'clean' benchmarking setup with suboptimal windows configurations and background tasks; he'd have been more on the point of WHY people had stated at the time Ryzen is smoother.
It's exactly the same reason as why many streamers found streaming caused lower framerate degradation on Ryzen CPUs, they had more cores and threads to allow the streaming to basically use a few cores whilst still offering the same number of cores to the game, therefore reducing thread/core dependency and sharing. Back in 2017, the Ryzen is smoother WAS true in many cases for many people, due to 'non ideal' software configuration and background tasks, and due to many people having 4c/4th i5s due to the 'i5s are enough for gaming' status quo at the time. They haven't aged well though by comparison!
Steve had a point with his video and topic, but he missed the mark with the exact point and comparisons being made. If he had focused more on the older comparative CPUs like the 4c/4th 3000-7000 Intel series chips, rather than the 8th ones and more modern CPUs, and on a less 'clean' benchmarking setup with suboptimal windows configurations and background tasks; he'd have been more on the point of WHY people had stated at the time Ryzen is smoother.
Are you serious? He s probably the most biased dude in YouTube. Yes he shows you a bunch of graphs with frame rates etc but he doesn’t give you an explanation on the system tested etc. Nothing is equalised to the level playing field. For example intel CPU is notorious for juicing itself with lots of power where AMD draws much less. If you got a CPU that’s juicing 10% more power what do you expect the performance to be.
The dude spews nonsense most of the time. Pulling a wall over peoples eyes with FAKE stats.
The phrase is "pulling the wool over" someone's eyes lol.
https://youtu.be/NqCGHHOZYcA
I like these guys. Proper fair CPU comparison. Price vs price, power vs power. Core vs core.
intel - amd gaming performance matches but amd is well ahead on anything productivity. Same package (CPU + mobo), amd you can save significant amount of money to have a much better GPU to give you better performance in game or spend it on other parts like cooling or faster SSDs or simply save it.
https://youtu.be/6x8SAAk_J4c
this another amazing video where things are completely equalised.
I like these guys. Proper fair CPU comparison. Price vs price, power vs power. Core vs core.
intel - amd gaming performance matches but amd is well ahead on anything productivity. Same package (CPU + mobo), amd you can save significant amount of money to have a much better GPU to give you better performance in game or spend it on other parts like cooling or faster SSDs or simply save it.
https://youtu.be/6x8SAAk_J4c
this another amazing video where things are completely equalised.