AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D vs Intel 12th gen build

citizenx13

citizenx13

citizenx13

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Good morning great people of OCUK

The time has come to retire my faithful i7 6700k and move up to the big leagues.

I have done some research and I have been eyeing out the AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D. I watched some comparison videos, and the CPU holds well compared both the i7 and i9 12 gen CPUs, or so I understand.
Though before I settle on this, I would like to get a last sanity check on this and perhaps some advice. I like to build a rig that last me 5-6 years which the i7 6700 I overclocked has done beautifully though now its now become a bottleneck for my 3080.

I don’t have an endless budget, but I be prepared to spend what is required for a CPU, MB, RAM, PSU, All in one cooling and a case (dust filters are a must). I am thinking £1k for the lot but could go over if it will extend the life of the machine, though I’m getting ahead of myself first things first platform and CPU, am I thinking right of going with the AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D.



Many thanks in advance
CitizenX
 
citizenx13 said:
Just playing games yes :)
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Then I'd go with the X3D, on a B550 board, unless you want loads of other I/O expansion options of the X570, and some cheap as chips DDR4, £100 should get you 32GB 3200MHz from OCUK. Artic 280mm AIO and a suitable 750/850w PSU, and what ever case you like that will fit the parts in. :)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Case: KOLINK Citadel Mesh RGB MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Total: ~£850

Something like that. Might even be able to squeeze in a 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD with your budget. :)
 
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Journey said:
Then I'd go with the X3D, on a B550 board, unless you want loads of other I/O expansion options of the X570, and some cheap as chips DDR4, £100 should get you 32GB 3200MHz from OCUK. Artic 280mm AIO and a suitable 750/850w PSU, and what ever case you like that will fit the parts in. :)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Case: KOLINK Citadel Mesh RGB MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Total: ~£850

Something like that. Might even be able to squeeze in a 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD with your budget. :)
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You sir are a gem, thank you very much for this!!
 
 
JollyJamma said:
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £979.04 (includes delivery: £13.20)​

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Thank you, i will compare some items and appreciate the options :)
 
Thank you to everyone for your input, I am 90% done and ready to order but I have one last check to make.


Both suggestions provided a MB with a B550 chipset, I did some amateur reading and I understand that the X570 has PCIE 4 lanes that as I understand will only aid in overclocking.

I know I will not be overclocking the 5800XD but how will that affect the GPU and GPU’s for the next 5 years? Do I want this for future proofing or am I totally misunderstanding?

I will only ever run one GPU at a time if that helps


Thanks you again
 
citizenx13 said:
Thank you to everyone for your input, I am 90% done and ready to order but I have one last check to make.


Both suggestions provided a MB with a B550 chipset, I did some amateur reading and I understand that the X570 has PCIE 4 lanes that as I understand will only aid in overclocking.

I know I will not be overclocking the 5800XD but how will that affect the GPU and GPU’s for the next 5 years? Do I want this for future proofing or am I totally misunderstanding?

I will only ever run one GPU at a time if that helps


Thanks you again
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You are completely misunderstanding.

X570 just adds PCI-e 4.0 for the lower PCi-E lanes and some more USB ports. B550 is more than enough and X570 is just more expensive with no real benefit.
 
Id prob get 32gb ram if you're going to keep it for 5yrs plus... In a year or so most ram being produced will be ddr5 so ddr4 prices will creep up.
 
citizenx13 said:
Thank you to everyone for your input, I am 90% done and ready to order but I have one last check to make.


Both suggestions provided a MB with a B550 chipset, I did some amateur reading and I understand that the X570 has PCIE 4 lanes that as I understand will only aid in overclocking.

I know I will not be overclocking the 5800XD but how will that affect the GPU and GPU’s for the next 5 years? Do I want this for future proofing or am I totally misunderstanding?

I will only ever run one GPU at a time if that helps


Thanks you again
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What was your final rig specs? Post it here.
 
JollyJamma said:
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £979.04 (includes delivery: £13.20)​

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Just taking a look at that ssd. Why that drive.. It's a sata drive, so not pciegen3 or above so directstorage wont work with it, and being sata, is slow by modern drives.. Wouldnt something like a sn570 be better.. Saying that, a crucial P5P may be more suited really for a £1k build i would have thought
 
Craig_d1 said:
Just taking a look at that ssd. Why that drive.. It's a sata drive, so not pciegen3 or above so directstorage wont work with it, and being sata, is slow by modern drives.. Wouldnt something like a sn570 be better.. Saying that, a crucial P5P may be more suited really for a £1k build i would have thought
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It’s cHeap.

I honestly don’t think you can the difference between a Sata drive and an NVMe drive.

I don’t think it makes any difference to the build but the SN750 is a good SSD.

Here is my evidence https://youtu.be/4DKLA7w9eeA
 
JollyJamma said:
It’s cHeap.

I honestly don’t think you can the difference between a Sata drive and an NVMe drive.
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That is really poor advice though, especially with DirectStorage round the corner which utilises the SSD connected via PCI-E using the NVMe protocol to speed up game data/assets retrieval by avoiding loading up the CPU. Something like a Samsung 980 1TB is £5 more, heck you can get a Crucial P2 for less than what you recommended, which is better and faster. Even if it were £20 more its still a better deal in the long term.
 
Journey said:
That is really poor advice though, especially with DirectStorage round the corner which utilises the SSD connected via PCI-E using the NVMe protocol to speed up game data/assets retrieval by avoiding loading up the CPU. Something like a Samsung 980 1TB is £5 more, heck you can get a Crucial P2 for less than what you recommended, which is better and faster. Even if it were £20 more its still a better deal in the long term.
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It’s not poor advice. It’s advice based on what people can actually perceive.


Yes, direct storage *may* improve performance by a few fps but I’d rather put that money to a better GPU or cpu which you will definitely notice.

The 980 non pro is DRAMless so once it fills up, performance tanks. That’s poor advice right there.

I’ve got the following ssds: MX100 (sata) , MX500 (SATA) 970 Evo plus (NVME) , 860 Evo (sata) and I’ve never been able to tell the difference with any of them when gaming or daily use.
 
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