First time they've done 4 releases on the same node. Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake. The initial plan was for 3 releases per node from Broadwell but they are struggling to make desktop parts on 10 nm, hence Coffee Lake's existence.
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AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X
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This is correct, I missed broadwell by accident since it practically didn't exist for desktop.
The bullet-point progression list I posted is correct still though, since broadwell came before skylake.
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Exactly mate.
My original statement still stands. Very much looking forward to this landmark mainstream chip.
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Bought from OCUK and fitted straight into an EVGA 1366 mobo (also bought from OCUK). Perhaps you could explain in what way it wasn't a mainstream part ?
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The same way the i7 920 wasn't a mainstream part.
Socket 1366 wasn't the consumer mainstream socket, that was socket 1156.
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Lol...................tell that to the hundreds of thousands of peeps worldwide that grabbed 920's and 1366 as soon as it was available. This forum and all other forums were full of threads on the best way to run and clock it for years. Mainstream in my mind is anything available to the public through a normal retailer and 1366 was available everywhere and used all over the world.
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1366 was the enthusiast platform, 1156 was the mainstream platform. It's that simple. Your own interpretation of platforms doesn't make an i7 980X a mainstream part.
"Enthusiast" used in that way is such BS.
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I don't disagree.
I love these sort of arguments... It's like a re run of the whole 980/ 1080 etc are 'mid range' Gpu's when they were respectively released as the fastest, at the time, consumer gpu's by most metrics, because some forum members had decided that the dies on these gpu's were not physically large enough to qualify them as 'high end' personally I have been on hex cores for years now since my 980 westmere....
The enthusiast parts happened to be released far earlier than the mainstream ones. That, plus the fact that they were wildly better than the preceding generation, and had an affordable low SKU (i7-920 was £220 when I bought it), meant it sold very well. Having said that, the motherboards were still expensive for the time, which is pretty indicative of enthusiast platforms. Later enthusiast platforms were always a generation behind rather than ahead, making them less appealing for gamers in particular.
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Lol, so of course then in your mind Threadripper and Skylake will suddenly become a "Mainstream" platform ? No of course they won't is the answer because both will be too expensive for the Purple shirt's to shift in any quantity.
Most if not all of us on this forum are enthusiast's, that's why we talk about these things and why we buy the shinny new stuff. That is also why Threadripper, Skylake and 6 or 7 years ago Gulftown is and was the main talking point on here and elsewhere. So if your view is that Threadripper and Skylake are going to be "Mainstream" parts.................................then my view that Gulftown was a mainstream part is absolutely and completely valid.
And by the way, the cpu was 990x not a 980x.
pedantry fail...
there was a 980x out before the 990x....
https://ark.intel.com/products/5258...Edition-12M-Cache-3_46-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI
https://ark.intel.com/products/4793...Edition-12M-Cache-3_33-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI
both hex cores...
/ thread thoroughly derailed....
Caporegime
Skylake 1151 is the mainstream platform.
Threadripper won't be as it's not on the mainstream platform.
You're making up your own interpretations of things.
The skylake hex stuff isn't mainstream as they're not on the mainstream platform.
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Actually not a "Fail" lol. I was quoting from the poster calling the cpu in the pic a 980x when it was a 990x. I had a 980x but for various reasons it never clocked as high as the 990x. Still both great chips..................................but in today's money when you compare them against Ryzen.............................they were then and defo are now, a complete rip off.
No you still 'FAIL' you posted a picture of the 990X implying it was the FIRST 'mainstream' Intel hex core CPU....
Which it wasn't....
(I don't want to get back into the argument about whats 'mainstream' and whether x58 was or was not 'mainstream'!)
although Pedantry aside the 990X was obviously before Coffelake which isn't even out yet and Martini just misread your post but correctly gave the model number for the first Hex core CPU widely available to consumers be they enthusiast or other from Intel.
Obviously if just any old Intel hex core CPU sold to consumers was to be thrown in the pot you could have have a wide choice of CPU's (with one which sold for less than the top end 'consumer' CPU's at certain times.... 5820K@ circa £275 vs 6700K at £300 + for example) You choice of a Westemere CPU seems somewhat deliberate therefore especially as it definitely had an 'Enthusiast' $999 price at launch (as opposed to the relatively cheap Haswell-E 5820k priced much closer to the top end 'consumer' pricing bracket if not below it at times)......
But back on topic Threadripper vs Skylake X should even for us 'Enthusiasts' on OCUK really be a big meh/ so what.
There really isn't much point to a 16c32t CPU or really anything much over 8c16t CPU for desktops ......... even for those of us with bigger wallets. More cores inevitably leads to lower per core clocks and Amdahl's law and Gustafson's Law ensure that most of those cores aren't going to be utilised by the sorts of tasks desktop PC users run on their PC's. Its really just a bit of corporate one up man ship like when Intel had CPU's running at higher frequencies despite them being slower than slower clocked AMD CPU's with better IPC
Give me an Octo cored CPU that can reliably run at least most of its cores at circa 5Ghz when turbo'd with Skylake or better level IPC and ill buy it
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Well, Bits and Chips have been pretty good with Ryzen leaks so far and they think an entry-level 16C/32T will be $849:
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/870373386391891968
So a bit more than 2 x R7-1700X. X399 motherboards are likely to cost a bit more than AM4 ones though.