AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X

Rroff · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:32

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The Core i7 6950X die was close to 250MM2,and this looks closer to 310MM2.

I wonder if there are more cores but these are deactivated??

One possibility is they've utilised "dark" silicon to allow for higher voltages/heat by laying things out to better optimise towards that end - something nVidia did in the move from Maxwell to Pascal for instance.

Chuk_Chuk · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:33

TheF34RChannel said:
As for some of the things mentioned above I would like to remind us of the following:

1. Very early reviews;
2. Immature BIOS;
3. Low frequency RAM (2666) used (remember how SKL & KBL flourish with 3000+ RAM in games!);
4. Possibly the lower L3 cache and higher L2 cache aren't liked much by games?

Anyone else get a sense of Deja-vu reading this?

Rroff · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:34

Chuk_Chuk said:
Anyone else get a sense of Deja-vu reading this?

hehe yeah I know what you mean.

humbug · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:36

Chuk_Chuk said:
Anyone else get a sense of Deja-vu reading this?

Well, at least all the Skylake-X hype has stopped. I mean its a great chip, but... yeah.

TheF34RChannel · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:38

Chuk_Chuk said:
Anyone else get a sense of Deja-vu reading this?

If you have a point, make it. Don't stick with innuendo

And here's one for you: the same thing the AMD army said and what do you know, eventually got and it improved the platform. So... Your turn

gavinh87 · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:38

humbug said:
Well, at least all the Skylake-X hype has stopped.

Enjoy the peace, our friend will find someway of turning it into a positive.

gavinh87 · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:40

TheF34RChannel said:
If you have a point, make it. Don't stick with innuendo

And here's one for you: the same thing the AMD army said and what do you know, eventually got and it improved the platform. So... Your turn

Difference was a brand new arc on brand new boards with amd delving into tech for the first time, pcie 3.0 ddr4 etc. This is nothing new for intel, just a cut down Xeon I'd imagine.
Don't expect miracles from any updates.

TheF34RChannel · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:42

gavinh87 said:
Difference was a brand new arc on brand new boards with amd delving into tech for the first time, pcie 3.0 ddr4 etc. This is nothing new for intel, just a cut down Xeon I'd imagine.
Don't expect miracles from any updates.

That's absolutely a large difference, can't argue with that.

humbug · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:43

gavinh87 said:
Enjoy the peace, our friend will find someway of turning it into a positive.

That would be difficult, even for mater spinners.

Chuk_Chuk · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:58

TheF34RChannel said:
If you have a point, make it. Don't stick with innuendo

And here's one for you: the same thing the AMD ~~army~~ said and what do you know, eventually got and it improved the platform. So... Your turn

Your right.
This is exactly what people said about Ryzen, yet certain people and a lot of reviews would not give ryzen a free pass. Therefore its funny when we are supposed to do the same because Intel.

The answer to your second question is very simple, the Skylake beta already happened, its called 6800 and 6700k, and broadwell. Any improvements now will be not be significant. Along with the fact that most software is already optmised for Intel. the gains likely to be made in future won't be substantial.

Since you compared it AMD, the reason why Ryzens updates have been quite significant is because its a new platform(architect), on a new node, first time with DDR4; trying to compete on software that probably only has optimisations for AMD phenom II. Comparatively Intel has already squeezed most of it gains from its platform, while AMD has barely started.

Does that answer your question?

TheF34RChannel · 16 Jun 2017 at 19:00

Chuk_Chuk said:
Your right.
This is exactly what people said about Ryzen, yet certain people and a lot of reviews would not give ryzen a free pass. Therefore its funny when we are supposed to do the same because Intel.

The answer to your second question is very simple, the Skylake beta already happened, its called 6800 and 6700k, and broadwell. Any improvements now will be not be significant. Along with the fact that most software is already optmised for Intel. the gains likely to be made in future won't be substantial.

Since you compared it AMD, the reason why Ryzens updates have been quite significant is because its a new platform(architect), on a new node, first time with DDR4; trying to compete on software that probably only has optimisations for AMD phenom II. Comparatively Intel has already squeezed most of it gains from its platform, while AMD has barely started.

Does that answer your question?

It does, thank you

zornyan · 16 Jun 2017 at 19:20

Chuk_Chuk said:
Your right.
This is exactly what people said about Ryzen, yet certain people and a lot of reviews would not give ryzen a free pass. Therefore its funny when we are supposed to do the same because Intel.

The answer to your second question is very simple, the Skylake beta already happened, its called 6800 and 6700k, and broadwell. Any improvements now will be not be significant. Along with the fact that most software is already optmised for Intel. the gains likely to be made in future won't be substantial.

Since you compared it AMD, the reason why Ryzens updates have been quite significant is because its a new platform(architect), on a new node, first time with DDR4; trying to compete on software that probably only has optimisations for AMD phenom II. Comparatively Intel has already squeezed most of it gains from its platform, while AMD has barely started.

Does that answer your question?

sounds like a bug in the bios from what hexus wrote, quote below

"Deus Ex and Hitman play as expected, with the latter particularly enjoying the 10 fast cores, but Total War is well off the pace. The game appears to suffer from unexplained stuttering, and once again, the latest BIOS saw average FPS climb from 48.2 to 74.9."

considering these samples aren't even meant to be reviewed yet, it sounds like their using some kinda back door type deal to get their hands on a early review.

preorders go up monday, 7820x here I come, performance looks astounding in comparison to current competition.

how the new i7s/i9s are looking

https://youtu.be/dTvtFp_iPKc

gavinh87 · 16 Jun 2017 at 19:23

zornyan said:
sounds like a bug in the bios from what hexus wrote, quote below

"Deus Ex and Hitman play as expected, with the latter particularly enjoying the 10 fast cores, but Total War is well off the pace. The game appears to suffer from unexplained stuttering, and once again, the latest BIOS saw average FPS climb from 48.2 to 74.9."

considering these samples aren't even meant to be reviewed yet, it sounds like their using some kinda back door type deal to get their hands on a early review.

preorders go up monday, 7820x here I come, performance looks astounding in comparison to current competition.

how the new i7s/i9s are looking

https://youtu.be/dTvtFp_iPKc

I think outstanding is a bit far fetched. Also the competition, it's competition isn't even out yet. Funny how people were comparing ryzen to the 7700k yet it's not with these new x299 chips.....

zornyan · 16 Jun 2017 at 19:28

gavinh87 said:
I think outstanding is a bit far fetched. Also the competition, it's competition isn't even out yet. Funny how people were comparing ryzen to the 7700k yet it's not with these new x299 chips.....

I'm looking at the benchmarks that are clearly working, as obviously this pre NDA bios isn't ready, probably why the NDA isnt lifted yet (Intel most likely set a date for it to be lifted and bios will be ready by then)

but looking at stuff like cinebench, performance is exactly where expected.

for the first time, since well ever, we can have 8 cores without sacrificing single threaded performance. I think that's actually incredible tech don't you? literially the best of both world's!

faceman123 · 16 Jun 2017 at 19:29

yup to many people comparing it to 7700k. people buying this are mainly using this for video editing etc, its easy to forget Intels Quad core 7700k is prices the same as AMD's answer to 6900k. sure intel cpu's get more fps, but anyone with pure gaming in mind is better investing the funds in to the GPU. 7700k + 1060 or ryzen 1600 and gtx 1070? no brainer.

gavinh87 · 16 Jun 2017 at 19:37

zornyan said:
I'm looking at the benchmarks that are clearly working, as obviously this pre NDA bios isn't ready, probably why the NDA isnt lifted yet (Intel most likely set a date for it to be lifted and bios will be ready by then)

but looking at stuff like cinebench, performance is exactly where expected.

for the first time, since well ever, we can have 8 cores without sacrificing single threaded performance. I think that's actually incredible tech don't you? literially the best of both world's!

Except it's worse than the chip it's meant to replace...m

FredFlint · 16 Jun 2017 at 20:30

faceman123 said:
yup to many people comparing it to 7700k. people buying this are mainly using this for video editing etc, its easy to forget Intels Quad core 7700k is prices the same as AMD's answer to 6900k. sure intel cpu's get more fps, but anyone with pure gaming in mind is better investing the funds in to the GPU. 7700k + 1060 or ryzen 1600 and gtx 1070? no brainer.

I would not say the R7 is AMD's answer to 6900k, The R7 is on AMD's mainstream platform and the 6900k is on Intel’s high end. One of the Threadripper CPU's is the competition for Intel's high end.

TheF34RChannel · 16 Jun 2017 at 20:35

zornyan said:
I'm looking at the benchmarks that are clearly working, as obviously this pre NDA bios isn't ready, probably why the NDA isnt lifted yet (Intel most likely set a date for it to be lifted and bios will be ready by then)

but looking at stuff like cinebench, performance is exactly where expected.

for the first time, since well ever, we can have 8 cores without sacrificing single threaded performance. I think that's actually incredible tech don't you? literially the best of both world's!

It is the best of both worlds by the looks of it. NDA lifts 19 June.

It's regretful that the majority on the Internet cannot seem to see past the price/performance argument (="buy AMD"), as if those who want the best and thus are willing to pay more don't exist in their minds. Fortunately both 'groups' exist. And for exactly this reason this post will be flamed and that's okay because what cannot be understood will always be held at a distance with disdain. It's getting old, really. Live and let live and all that.

zornyan · 16 Jun 2017 at 20:41

TheF34RChannel said:
It is the best of both worlds by the looks of it. NDA lifts 19 June.

It's regretful that the majority on the Internet cannot seem to see past the price/performance argument (="buy AMD"), as if those who want the best and thus are willing to pay more don't exist in their minds. Fortunately both 'groups' exist. And for exactly this reason this post will be flamed and that's okay because what cannot be understood will always be held at a distance with disdain. It's getting old, really. Live and let live and all that.

I've said it multiple times, ryzen price to performance is very very good.

and, as pretty much is globally agreed even from the most infamous fanboy of any group.

budget build = g4560
mid range = any ryzen from the 4 to 8 core
pure gaming = 7700k

for workstations you have amd, offering more cores for less money, or Intel for the very very highest performance which actually comes at a higher cost.

FredFlint · 16 Jun 2017 at 20:44

TheF34RChannel said:
It is the best of both worlds by the looks of it. NDA lifts 19 June.

It's regretful that the majority on the Internet cannot seem to see past the price/performance argument (="buy AMD"), as if those who want the best and thus are willing to pay more don't exist in their minds. Fortunately both 'groups' exist. And for exactly this reason this post will be flamed and that's okay because what cannot be understood will always be held at a distance with disdain. It's getting old, really. Live and let live and all that.

You don’t know if Intel’s x299 is better than the x399, none of us know. Going by history the x299+CPU’s should be good and AMD has a tenancy to shoot itself in foot, repeatedly. I’m hoping they don’t this time. If nothing else they have pushed Intel off their fat over paid butts.