The way you said it strongly suggested the complete opposite.
It doesn't seem at all ambiguous as to what you're getting at there. "One thing nVidia cards don't do"
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The way you said it strongly suggested the complete opposite.
It doesn't seem at all ambiguous as to what you're getting at there. "One thing nVidia cards don't do"
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Can't say I've ever noticed this spiking (That wasn't down to it being an AMD card)
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So you tried a £150-170 amd card and found it inferior to a nv card costing around £230. In this instance compare a 7950 v a 660ti and see what conclusion you come to. The 7850 is a great card for the price but like for like its no 660ti even though the 660ti is not that far ahead once you oc them both. I think it was hardocp that said in one of there reviews it was nipping at the heals of the 660 ti when both had max oc. Still if i was offered one of the 2 for free i would have the ti660.
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660 and 7850 nearly the same price Nvidia always more cost performance says difference except the smoothness which im on about.
Ill be to judge the highend AMD card this week probs friday so will see how it goes.
Id like to hear rustys side on this as he had 2 680s and now has a 7950.
Also to point out the CPU throttling, why doesnt he CPU throttle the 660 but does the 7850? If that was the case?
I wish there was a 3rd company who made cards its dumb how this massive planet has 2 companies who make decent desktop cards!!! I mean COME ON! Just goes to show how petty this planet is, im gonna go back to dagobah system!
660 and 7850 nearly the same price Nvidia always more cost performance says difference except the smoothness which im on about.
Ill be to judge the highend AMD card this week probs friday so will see how it goes.
Id like to hear rustys side on this as he had 2 680s and now has a 7950.
Also to point out the CPU throttling, why doesnt he CPU throttle the 660 but does the 7850? If that was the case?
I wish there was a 3rd company who made cards its dumb how this massive planet has 2 companies who make decent desktop cards!!! I mean COME ON! Just goes to show how petty this planet is, im gonna go back to dagobah system!
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He has the GTX 660 not the GTX 660 Ti
Max oc on the gtx660 and the 7850 should be close but when aa is involved the bigger mem bus would sway me to amd along with amd being cheaper.
I was wrong, the GHz came out on the 12.7's:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/28.html
According to tpu, out of all the games they tested@1080p, the GHz was 2% faster than the 680 in June on the 12.7's.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970-GHz-Edition-Video-Card-Review/1588/11
I only went to tpu's review database, there is probably more, but the 12.7's, again, on GHz clocks were matching the 680 for performance.
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I remember when the ghz version came out there was some sites proclaiming it slightly faster and i think amd were saying it was the leader as they would though. There was basically nothing in it with the 7970ghz edition v stock gtx680. The main difference then was not drivers just the 7970 got a clock boost.
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That's all I'm pointing out, just dispelling the myth(as most choose to ignore) that the performance only arrived with 12.11's, the 7970 on stock GHz clocks(AMD released the bios for normal 7970's) could match a 680 in June, not later like a lot of people imply.
Tell me about it
I got my GTX 690s when they came out, I built a system with them running in Quad sli and then ran the heaven 3 benchmark using the settings used on that thread.
Big shock, my 4 GK104 chips got beat out of sight and down the road by Locky and his trifire HD 7970 setup. That was back in May
Having said that though I have given the HD 7970s some pay back since using extreme settings or running 3dmark11.
The point is the HD 7970s were quick back in May running rubbish drivers.
About what?
I've not noticed any such frame spiking as opposed to a 680 as it's a false observation. Both run the same...
Wrong chart. There was a relative driver performance chart from release to 12.11s.
It disproves what you're saying. As said elsewhere the GHz edition bump was due to the higher out the box clocks.
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Well their results dont add up to what im seeing at similar settings, so i dont buy it.
I can copy their settings and see much higher and more importantly perfectly smooth fps. I get better fps at Ghz edition speed at 1440P with AA on high than i did 1080p extreme with a large gpu overclock.
Their sleeping dogs 7970 Ghz edition result is definitely wrong in my opinion. I don't believe that going to 1600p will suddenly make the 7970 unplayable. Its bull. Not when i can get near constant 60fps performance (vsync on) @1440p on High AA.
Thats the last word from me on this.
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@ weehamish.
What's all this rubbish about frame spiking? There are plenty of reviews that plot frame rate graphs such as hardOCP, I suggest you look at those and you will notice there is no overall difference.
With all the problems you have had with your cards, you saying that overclocking leads to stuttering, talking about frame spiking, I would suggest most of your problems lie between your keyboard and your chair.
What's all this rubbish about frame spiking? There are plenty of reviews that plot frame rate graphs such as hardOCP, I suggest you look at those and you will notice there is no overall difference.
With all the problems you have had with your cards, you saying that overclocking leads to stuttering, talking about frame spiking, I would suggest most of your problems lie between your keyboard and your chair.
Read it again rusty, in June with 12.7's and GHz clocks, the 7970 matched the 680, that's all I'm getting at, 7970=680 agin, in June, not with the 12.11's nothing more, nothing less.
I think I'm confused by your mentioning of drivers that's all as the levelling described there doesn't really have anything to do with drivers...
Edit: found it!
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Guys, on the compute side.... Dirt ShowDown uses the same compute to render 8f16x EQAA, on 12.11 BETA 4 the FPS on DS was half of what it was in BETA 7 with 8f16x EQAA.
Those [H] tests were done with the early BETA, the OpenCL driver must have been borked on the first 12.11 BETA driver.
As i said my frame rates doubled with f816x EQAA going from early BETA to BETA 7.
Those [H] tests were done with the early BETA, the OpenCL driver must have been borked on the first 12.11 BETA driver.
As i said my frame rates doubled with f816x EQAA going from early BETA to BETA 7.
Hmm good point, i didn't bother to check small details like that.
Interesting about Dirt, i might have to reinstall that to try it.
Did you look at any of the previous links?
It's misleading to say the least that the 12.11's brought the performance, as it's implied in most cases that the 7970 was slower until the 12.11's, not on an even playing field-most that don't know any better will take it as fact and yet again puts the AMD driver team in a negative spin.
The 12.11's have taken the 7970 past the 680, but I haven't stated that in this thread, simply that the 680 was matched in June.
Again, I've stated that in June the 7970 matched the 680-GHz clocks was available then or thereabouts and anyone with a reference card could use the GHz bios, dispelling the rumours that it was the 12.11's that got the performance, BF3 is but one title, it's popular but it's not the be all and end all.
It's getting pedantic as well and here I go again as almost everyone here knows that the 7970 can/could overclock to 1050 MHz on GHz voltage without flashing, never mind manually oc'ing the card further.
In April on 12.3's when both the 7970 and 680 were overclocked there was still nothing in it:
If people(mainly Nvidia users
) say it enough, it becomes defacto.
It's misleading to say the least that the 12.11's brought the performance, as it's implied in most cases that the 7970 was slower until the 12.11's, not on an even playing field-most that don't know any better will take it as fact and yet again puts the AMD driver team in a negative spin.
The 12.11's have taken the 7970 past the 680, but I haven't stated that in this thread, simply that the 680 was matched in June.
Again, I've stated that in June the 7970 matched the 680-GHz clocks was available then or thereabouts and anyone with a reference card could use the GHz bios, dispelling the rumours that it was the 12.11's that got the performance, BF3 is but one title, it's popular but it's not the be all and end all.
It's getting pedantic as well and here I go again as almost everyone here knows that the 7970 can/could overclock to 1050 MHz on GHz voltage without flashing, never mind manually oc'ing the card further.
In April on 12.3's when both the 7970 and 680 were overclocked there was still nothing in it:
[H] has reviewed the 680 v 7970 both on max oc's, should put the argument to bed now.
Here's the figures strictly for the enthusiasts(the ex overclockers who now prefer stock performance may look away now):
Full review here:
http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/04/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_overclocking_review/1
'The Bottom Line
One thing is certain after our overclocking, the default GPU Boost settings are not the highest frequency the GeForce GTX 680 is capable of. The GPU frequency can certainly be improved by manual overclocking. There is a bit of headroom yet to be had with this GPU. We strongly feel that it is voltage that is holding this GPU back. We look forward to custom-built GeForce GTX 680 video cards. With a custom-built PCB, custom-HSF, and all the high-efficiency hardware add-in-board partners like to use, we can't wait to see custom capabilities with the GeForce GTX 680.
Despite the not-so Earth shattering overclocking results we achieved today, the GeForce GTX 680 is still able to compete well with the Radeon HD 7970, even overclocked. The fact remains that for a less expensive price[USA review remember
There you have it, unless you absolutuley need Cuda/PhysX/Nvidia3D/Eyefinity?, then imho, buy the cheapest of the two that you can find.
Anyone who could tell the difference sitting side by side with no fps counter really must be called Steve Austin!
I thought that this very heated subject deserved it's own thread even if the review has already been posted in one of the other threads.
If people(mainly Nvidia users
) say it enough, it becomes defacto.SkodaMart
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Errrm.
I don't know how to say this but....
I was actually referring to the HD 7950 not the HD 7970.
Both the HD 7970 and GTX 680 are 'above my radar' due to price.