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AMD "Tonga" Silicon Features 384-bit Wide Memory Interface
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Go for it.
Yep them NVidia cards are crap, the drivers don't work, they are the wrong colour, the wife hates them, my car broke down, the Titans make fantastic house bricks, look where they got ET, there is a 50% higher chance of slipping on a banana skin and the aliens were using them in Independence Day.
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Even though I have a Nvidia card ATM(and bought another two in the last year and a half),people cannot just laugh off the G80 series bumpgate problems. I know the better part of nearly 20 instances of people affected by it(mostly laptops) at the time and the way it was handled - in many cases OEMs were issuing fan speed updates on laptops to try and "fix" the problem,before in the end they had to be replaced,and in many cases I had to inform people of the said issue so they could ring replacements from said OEMs. The problem seemed to far more worse in laptops though,than desktops it seems.
My only card to ever go bang was my 8800GTS 512MB,but to this day I don't know whether it was me being unlucky or a bumpgate issue. I think I might have been unlucky TBH,since my 8500GT seemed to have survived but the latter had a massive aftermarket heatsink attached to it,so it would be quieter,and the 9300 IGP in my other system is fine too.
The problem cost Nvidia at least $200 million,and that did not include the numerous class action lawsuits in the US too.
My only card to ever go bang was my 8800GTS 512MB,but to this day I don't know whether it was me being unlucky or a bumpgate issue. I think I might have been unlucky TBH,since my 8500GT seemed to have survived but the latter had a massive aftermarket heatsink attached to it,so it would be quieter,and the 9300 IGP in my other system is fine too.
The problem cost Nvidia at least $200 million,and that did not include the numerous class action lawsuits in the US too.
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Nvidia got off very lightly indeed for the amount of damage they caused. Desktop GPUs were of course fairly easy to replace with something else, but for laptops that was not the case as most of the time there was nothing to replace them with. Apple for instance were about the only manufacturer who actually tried to sort this for their costumers and some people ended up getting their Macbook Pro replaced 2-3 times. Problem was all of Nvidia's chips from that period were inherently faulty. (Other manufacturers like HP and Dell mostly just fobbed off their customers.)
In comparison, the Sandy Bridge SATA recall cost was supposed to have cost Intel $700 million and that was for a problem which would 'only' have resulted in the SATA3 ports becoming bad rather than the whole chip not working.
But the real problem I have with Nvidia is that they never came clean. Their line of "only some mobile G84/G86 chips affected" was rather suspect. Those mobile parts were the first to fail (thermal stress inside laptops etc.), but when this happened Nvidia must have know that almost ever part they sold during that time had the same solder defect.
So the scale of this was something similar to 'capacitor plague' causing $billion of damages for the consumer. Yet it got so little coverage in the media. That is the true genius of Nvidia and their press relations. Rather suspect that Charlie from the Inquirer who exposed this story is hated by a lot of people not because of his rants but because he exposed Nvidia as a bunch of cowboys not willing to stand by the quality (or lack thereof) of their products.
yes, or in my case a replacement for my broken 7990, it broke because i tried to reduce its temperatures.... so the 970 is perfect, it runs cold and quiet, lets hope all cards run cold/ quiet from now on.
about the benchmark............ that's a very interesting point, easy, all i do is buy another card next month
why not the 295X2 ???????? too much money all at once...........plus i want to buy another pc case tomorrow
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I get what you are saying regarding the bus as it does seem quite large for the targeted bracket,but the thing is I expect a fully enabled Tonga to be running at a higher effective clockspeed than the R9 290. The R9 285 is clocked only at a maximum of 918MHZ which is lower than the R9 280X and the R9 290.
I have a feeling it could get to similar performance or close enough,as the R9 290 is only 30% to 40% faster overall at 1920X1080 and 2560X1600 than the R9 285 and 25% faster than a R9 280X.
A few things a fully enabled Tonga will have over Tahiti:
1.)Increased effective memory bandwith due to compression.
2.)Far better tessellation performance.
3.)Probably higher base clockspeeds out of the box.
4.)I suspect it will have a 50% increase in ROPs,ie, 48.
5.)Large improvements in media specific features like VCE and video decoding.
6.)Later generation GCN shaders.
We have seen AMD,do something similar with the HD6870. It had less shaders than an HD5870 but got get close to it in many instances.
However,if we do see a fully enabled Tonga GPU,I do hope power consumption is also reasonable too.
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Just like I will never buy a game that has Mantle support.
That really is stupid, your loss.