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AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 8320 Black Edition 3.50GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail £120

a kind sales person was kind enough to reccomend me an intel cpu / motherboard, then i came across this cpu and on the face of it looks very competitive much better than the intel 4 core which was more expensive

question is do i go for amd higher speck / lower cost or intel lower speck higher cost, im kind of wanting to get an amd dut to cost and better performance, or are amd cpus's poor quality?

be great if i could get this cpu and an compatable m/board for under £200

any advice greatly appreciated thanks
 
What was the model of the CPU that was recommended? A 8320 is very competitive at times but in some situations a Intel Haswell processor can be better.

What do you use your computer for?
 
i do fancy having a go at gaming the cpu was this one but i stumbled upon the amd cpus and they do look very competitive in price and a better speck

this cpu
Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - OEM £180 (4 core)

surly the Amd is a no brainer better speed and double the cores ie 8 core instead of the 4 core.
 
now youve got me havnt got one yet, gaming is not my priority im going to be using it for audio, and dabbling into gaming, so would be nice if i could get a good speck cpu/mother/b, then i stumbled upon the 8 core cpu,

surly my logic is correct 8 core is better than 4 core ie doubling the processing power and slightly faster clock?
 
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If you're looking at new games going forward, the 8320 is a very good choice, and on a fixed budget will mean a better graphics card. If it's more for older games, the 4670K will perform better. If you're looking to build yourself, come up with a maximum budget and you can get a couple of spec suggestions.
 
If you have an idea of an overall budget for what you need and also a list of components that you already have, people will be able to give you a balanced spec, rather than recommend a CPU which will drain your GPU budget and render your gaming rig incredibly monetarily inefficient.
 
ive got everything except a graphics card, it would be great if i could get that cpu and a asus motherboard for under 200,
i will get the graphics card later, be a great saving compared to the intel speck that i was kindly given

so really if i am allowed the amd cpu what mother board can i get for say £80 ? or am i making a mistake?

cheers
 
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Well you could get an FX-8320 and an Asus 970 EVO R2.0 for about £200 - but I assume you've a budget in mind for the board/CPU + graphics card? You can't run this CPU without a graphics card. Whether you should get a 4670K or not depends on total budget, graphics card, etc.
 
The Asus Evo that teppic has specced you, is the cheapest motherboard which also delivers reliable power to an 8 core FX chip. If you do not have much more money, a cheap discrete card, just to get a display would work but you would need a proper card to be able to game realistically.

If your aim is gaming, might be better to buy a card first, since you have a CPU and motherboard already, then you can upgrade them later.
 
thanks for all the input, that does sound a good idea get a minimal card for now to get by on that 8 core does look good value for the money.

just out of interest what graphics card will i need for gaming?

thanks
 
HD 7770 performance at a minimum for 1080p. Ideally you want something like a HD 7850 2GB, if you want a card that is matched to your CPU performance.
 
If you want a card just to get by on (i.e. no gaming) you can get anything cheap, like a 6450 or your current card. A 7770 is a reasonable card for gaming at medium settings at 1080p. The best one right now in terms of price/performance at the higher end is the 7950 at £185.
 
ok to be sure teppic, this its this motherboard you refer to ?

Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 AMD 970 (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard £89

thank you very much for the help
 
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That is the motherboard.

The reason why it is probably the most recommended AM3+ board on this forum is because it is the cheapest board with the most reliable power delivery.

8 core fx CPUs pull more power though the motherboard than any of their predecessors. Lower end boards have low power phasing like 4+1 or 4+2 and will throttle the CPU speed when they overheat. The Asus board may only have 6+2 but the VRMs are of much higher quality than say Asrock (personally i would have the evo over any 8+2 Asrock board). On this forum there has been a number of successful overclocks using that board.

Especially when buying AMD fx CPUs, never cheap out on a motherboard.
 
It's just a description of the power phases. For 8 core AMD boards you need to avoid 4+1 if you want reliable performance and good overclocking. It's not just about the power phases though. I'd advise an overclock on the 8320 to get the most out of it - any decent £25 cooler should get you to 4.5GHz on that board.
 
ok i see, ive got a water cooler for the motherboard so that should be fine

really appreciate all the help fantastic, most greatfull,

blimy pcs certainly have moved on since i built my last one probable in the 80's (always had laptops)
 
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Powerphasing isnt usually something you think about when specing a rig, the exception with particularly high power CPUs. Because fx CPUs were released on a compatible socket to motherboards which were not originally designed to take 8 and 6 core CPUs, it is not surprising that these high powered chips can draw more power than some older boards can handle.

Let me just find something to copy and paste to save some time:

Phases are structures on your motherboard that supply the overall power to your CPU through VRM's and MOSFET's. They are important with supplying your CPU with power, and if one were to die, the entire motherboard would most likely.

Usually common phase designs for amd are:

4+1
4+2
8+2

I think Asrock Fatal1ty offers 12+2 and the Asus Evo i know offers 6+2. The first number means the number of phases that are dedicated to the CPU. This is really the only important number (the second number is the number of phases dedicated to the RAM and HT, which wont pull near the same power). So obviously at first glance, more phases is better, since there are more structures to regulate power and power/heat is spread better. That however is not all, there are heatsinks on the VRMs on most boards, which help prevent them overheating. If they overheat they will either blow and ruin your board and maybe more components or more likely just throttle your CPU speed and voltage.

Different manufacturers use different components when designing their phasing. Different product ranges from the same manufacturer can also use different quality of components, for example, you can bet that the VRMs and MOSFETs which make up the power phase design are of better quality in the Crosshair Formula V board than the lower end Asus M5A78L LE board. Better components mean that they will not throttle till much higher temperatures and are much less likely to blow if they get too hot or there is a sudden surge in power because they are designed to and are capable of delivering higher currents.

In short, more phases are often better because you spread the power through more structures even if the parts used are different (it is cheaper for manufacturers to use sixteen 8A transistors than four 32A). With this in mind, it is important to make sure that the VRM design is from a quality manufacturer. In recent times, specifically more with 8 core FX chips, the brands Asrock and MSI have produced a few boards which have earned a reputation for unreliable phasing at higher voltages. Dont worry too much if you dont fully understand. unless you plan on breaking world record over clocks, you can get away with the 6+2 phasing on the EVO board and you wont gain benefit from any better phasing unless you were aiming to run it at 1.5V.
 
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