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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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LOl, it's not random and it's not inconsistent.quite the opposite, it accurately correlates with all other measures of sales and marketing share,which is why it is widely used in industry by game developers to target feature sets

Everyone knows steam asks users with nvidia cards more to do the surveys. It's why so many AMD systems get overlooked. :D:p
 
But he doesn't highlight his outright lies that take 2 minutes on google to show as false.

Any examples. I haven't listened to all his videos but don't recall hearing anything flat out deceitful. The occasional wince where he's being too confident based on the limited info. Some of his speculation has been incorrect and I have heard him say as much and address it in videos (usually buried in the video rather than the topic off the clip).
 
May I point to the following why the Steam is not accurate source?

How's possible to have more AMD 8800 graphic cards registered, than R9 200 (which includes all of them and the 290s) by almost DOUBLE. Or GT640, by 2.5x?

While the Fury & FuryX are less than GT9400? (aka not even on the 0.1%).

Why I find the AMD 8800 weird? Because not even a handful of laptops had it, produced and sold between July and November 2013. Afterwards all mobile AMD GPUs belonged to the Rx naming convention.
 
May I point to the following why the Steam is not accurate source?

How's possible to have more AMD 8800 graphic cards registered, than R9 200 (which includes all of them and the 290s) by almost DOUBLE. Or GT640, by 2.5x?

While the Fury & FuryX are less than GT9400? (aka not even on the 0.1%).

Why I find the AMD 8800 weird? Because not even a handful of laptops had it, produced and sold between July and November 2013. Afterwards all mobile AMD GPUs belonged to the Rx naming conversion.

Like i keep saying, Steam thinks i have a 7870XT...

To suggest Steam is in anyway accurate is completely ridiculous, the only reason the Steam argument came up this time is because some one brought up AMD's actual sales figures by JPR....

"Oh but steam.... blah blah...." you know the rest, the usual straw clutching, no mater how ridiculous, its a straw and they'll try to normalise it.
 
Any examples. I haven't listened to all his videos but don't recall hearing anything flat out deceitful. The occasional wince where he's being too confident based on the limited info. Some of his speculation has been incorrect and I have heard him say as much and address it in videos (usually buried in the video rather than the topic off the clip).

One of the most glaring ones when i stopped listening to him at all was related to PhysX in Project CARS where he was spouting the rubbish that it gave nvidia an unfair advantage. Except for the fact that the PhysX was run on the CPU and makes absolutely no difference to the GPU in the slightest. There was a load of other related garbage in that video that took seconds to show he was flat out wrong. After that I never wasted 20-30 minutes lisetenign to a pack of lies but would try and get the gist of what he was going on about about it was always filled with more gumpf and the odd lie.
 
Like i keep saying, Steam thinks i have a 7870XT...

To suggest Steam is in anyway accurate is completely ridiculous, the only reason the Steam argument came up this time is because some one brought up AMD's actual sales figures by JPR....

"Oh but steam.... blah blah...." you know the rest, the usual straw clutching, no mater how ridiculous, its a straw and they'll try to normalise it.

Who says steam thinks you have a 7870XT? Steam doesn't connect the data to accounts so it has absolutely no way of knowing what you have. The only data Steam collects is anomalous samples within each month.


Also, JPR's figures are not sales figures. They are shipping volume. No one is disputing JPRs figures. But certain people with a strong brand preference are disputing Steam survey results with zero evidence, it just makes them look ridiculously childish.
 
Who says steam thinks you have a 7870XT? Steam doesn't connect the data to accounts so it has absolutely no way of knowing what you have. The only data Steam collects is anomalous samples within each month.


Also, JPR's figures are not sales figures. They are shipping volume. No one is disputing JPRs figures. But certain people with a strong brand preference are disputing Steam survey results with zero evidence, it just makes them look ridiculously childish.

I do, that was the last time i had partaken in a Steam Survey.

Do you actually believe there are 2x more AMD 8800 Notebook GPU users than there are R9 290 users?
Thats what Steam says, completely ridiculous.
 
Do you actually believe there are 2x more AMD 8800 Notebook GPU users than there are R9 290 users?
Thats what Steam says, completely ridiculous.

As per my post above - a lot of the 200 series used in laptops incorrectly identify as 8800 series on the bundled drivers - if - as many non-techie users tend to do - they only update if they encounter a problem then there will be a large proportion of those users showing as the wrong GPU. Some of these lower end 200 series GPUs will be in popular selling laptops which will push up numbers.
 
As per my post above - a lot of the 200 series used in laptops incorrectly identify as 8800 series on the bundled drivers - if - as many non-techie users tend to do - they only update if they encounter a problem then there will be a large proportion of those users showing as the wrong GPU. Some of these lower end 200 series GPUs will be in popular selling laptops which will push up numbers.

How can that be? the HD 8000 series are mobile re-branded HD 7000 series cards and released before 200 series Desktop parts even existed. the HD 8800 is a HD 7750
 
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I do, that was the last time i had partaken in a Steam Survey.

Do you actually believe there are 2x more AMD 8800 Notebook GPU users than there are R9 290 users?
Thats what Steam says, completely ridiculous.

In which case, steam doesn't know you have a 7870XT.... I f you didn't take part with the steam survey int he last month and were using a 7870XT... then it wont think you have a 7870XT....


It anomalously aggregated statistics form random samples. You clearly don't understand how sampling works so stop trying to make arguments when you have no understanding of what the survey is.
 
How can that be? the HD 8000 series are mobile re-branded HD 7000 series cards and released before 200 series Desktop parts even existed.

Copy and paste error in the descriptor string? who knows - to quote from one page on it:

"The R9 M270X (Cape Verde based Venus XT) and the 8800M series (Cape Verde based Venus LE/Pro/XT) use the same chips. The name given by the driver is based on the identifier the chip gives and in this case your 8800M based chip has the same identifier as the recent R9 M270X"

So basically a lot of lower end laptop parts are incorrectly bolstering the numbers of 8800 series (in this case its the other way around but serves to demonstrate).
 
As per my post above - a lot of the 200 series used in laptops incorrectly identify as 8800 series on the bundled drivers - if - as many non-techie users tend to do - they only update if they encounter a problem then there will be a large proportion of those users showing as the wrong GPU. Some of these lower end 200 series GPUs will be in popular selling laptops which will push up numbers.

Steam has misidentified dozens of AMD cards over the past 4-5 years... making every single result completely and utterly worthless. If you take a survey and misidentify the card in the computer then the result of that survey is invalid, it's that simple.


Steam survey means nothing and it's always meant absolutely nothing because it's inaccurate. All R200 cards were lumped into the same bracket for 2-3 years, and somehow it had a ridiculously impossibly low number, which meant a huge portion of R200 cards weren't being counted. Then they finally split them and the numbers didn't make sense, which sound like they added the individual cards as a result in the survey itself but they still couldn't identify them correctly.


You can't have an accurate account of what cards Steam users have if you can't identify them, anyone (DP) arguing against that logic is either logically challenged or has an agenda.
 
Its "Alreet Guys" :D

Anyway, this guy has been accused of being an AMD fanboy, especially around here, i don't think so...

Once again its just good solid info, GTX 1080+ 10% is fine by me, it means the cut down Vega will probably be GTX 1070 + 10% and not hugely expensive.

Bring it :)

Regardless of performance (to an extent), if the smaller Vega is £350+, then AMD won't be doing so well. Reason why the 970/390 sold well and why the RX480/1060 are currently best selling is due to that good price point. Above the £300 mark, interest drops off rather steep, since obviously a lot less people have that much to spend on a GPU.

And a £350+ price point is highly likely given current RX 480 pricing. The 480s encompass the £200-300 price bracket, under £350 would be far too close and may damage the sales of both small Vega and 480. I don't see AMD/retailers doing price-drops on the 480s either to compensate.

If bigger Vega is akin to a 1080, £550 or below should do well. But as many have said, Linus (from LTT) included, AMD only just catching up to Nvidia with Vega a year later is honestly no good for them. They need to be targeting Titan XP and to be fair, that's what the FuryX at least tried to do. Though it did end up competing with the 980ti due it's sneaky release and still lost due to bad stocks and not doing quite so well at lower resolutions.

Fingers crossed big Vega (or the 1080ti at that) can consistently hit 4k60 in non-Vulkan games and scales down appropriately to 1080p (etc) or I'm waiting another year for a GPU...
 
In which case, steam doesn't know you have a 7870XT.... I f you didn't take part with the steam survey int he last month and were using a 7870XT... then it wont think you have a 7870XT....


It anomalously aggregated statistics form random samples. You clearly don't understand how sampling works so stop trying to make arguments when you have no understanding of what the survey is.


The hilarious thing is that mistake is actually completely accurate, what you were trying to say is incorrect, Steam knows exactly who has what. Every single company on the planet collects data about their users, it's how big business works now, the results published are anonymous[/B] but the collected data is not.

However the data is anomalous, making it worthless and inaccurate. If Steam can't identify your card correctly it can't show remotely accurate results. If 100k people are asking and 20k are incorrectly identified AMD cards that don't get counted in the survey, your remaining numbers are compromised and meaningless.
 
Steam survey means nothing and it's always meant absolutely nothing because it's inaccurate. All R200 cards were lumped into the same bracket for 2-3 years, and somehow it had a ridiculously impossibly low number, which meant a huge portion of R200 cards weren't being counted. Then they finally split them and the numbers didn't make sense, which sound like they added the individual cards as a result in the survey itself but they still couldn't identify them correctly.

Makes perfect sense when you factor in the huge volume of lower end cards versus the 200 series and then factor in nVidia's market dominance. They actually make up a much smaller proportion of the wider figure than they instinctively appear to.
 
Put simply, it is a classic case of (GIGO) "Garbage In Garbage Out". Now where are the leaks of what these things can actually do? If you came and read the last couple of pages of this thread you might be mistaken for thinking that it wasn't actually about Vega.

I read the last two pages and I can't get back that time now, its passed and I learned nothing about what I came in here to look at.
 
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