AMD vs Intel - Simple Question ...

[Mul]

Technically yes. But like you said, it hardly gives Phenom an edge over Core 2.

 

[gareth170]

personly true quad core seems to talk to each core better than 2x dual cores. also with true quad core u can clock each core to different speeds, so if theres a weak core u can clock that core lower than the other 3..

 

[J.D]

personly true quad core seems to talk to each core better than 2x dual cores. also with true quad core u can clock each core to different speeds, so if theres a weak core u can clock that core lower than the other 3..

I didn't know that. That's pretty amazing to be honest.

So you could run 3dmark06 with core 1, 2 and 3 to lets say 2.9Ghz but the poorer core 4 you could run at 2.75ghz and it runs fine?.

 

[-iceblade^]

that's what someone i read over on another forum did to his B3 Phenom to try and avoid the TLB bug

 

[steve258]

but as i said before i am right in thinking that the phenom is the only true quad core chip? (not that it makes a difference but im curious if this is true)

It is true that the Phenom is a "true" quad core in that all 4 cores are within the same die instead of having 2 dual core dies put on the same chip. But it hardly matter does it when it still performs worse than C2Q clock for clock and not nearly as overclockable?

Fair enough though if you already have an AM2 mobo and don't want all the hassle of changing mobo then the 9850 BE is the chip I'll go for as well.

 

[gareth170]

I didn't know that. That's pretty amazing to be honest.

So you could run 3dmark06 with core 1, 2 and 3 to lets say 2.9Ghz but the poorer core 4 you could run at 2.75ghz and it runs fine?.

yep...

that's what someone i read over on another forum did to his B3 Phenom to try and avoid the TLB bug

u mean B2... B3 is the phenoms without the bug

 

[Tetras]

2. They don't keep changing socket types as often as Intel so upgrading an older rig is easier/cheaper

Socket 754 - 478/LGA775.
Socket 939 - LGA775.
Socket AM2 - Uhh..
Socket AM2+ - Yah, you guessed it..

Though to be fair neither is straight forward, as 65nm Pentium 4s and Intel Core 2 both required either new motherboards or at least BIOS updates. You could say "oh hey but look at Phenom" to which I'd say, pleh.., many AM2 boards still don't support Phenom despite claims that they would.

My point is, in my opinion it is not fair to say AMD are better with sockets than Intel are.

3. If no-one buys AMD then Intel will have a monopoly and every thread will be about the increasing costs of new systems.

What you or me buys makes no difference to AMD or Intel and by supporting those who are not competitively at the top you are not necessarily supporting the market. Being infront makes the money men think "hmm, invest in new technology, now why would we want to do that?".

 

[gareth170]

to the OP, you've got a AMD motherboard so i would say check to see if it supports phenoems with a update bios, if it does then go for it.

 

[Rich43]

If you have to give it any +'s...
1. AMD support open source better (Good for Linux crowd!)
2. The two cores can "talk" to each other faster than Intel due to it being a native design.

 

[Tiger33]

that's what someone i read over on another forum did to his B3 Phenom to try and avoid the TLB bug

what is this bug?

to the OP, you've got a AMD motherboard so i would say check to see if it supports phenoems with a update bios, if it does then go for it.

yes my board does support phenom

but is there really that much of an advantage if i personally already have a amd 6400+ ?


I know originally was thinking of building a new system but now im actually also interested ina quick upgrade to my current platform if it is in fact worth it?


depends on what happens with the new phenom chips i may in fact build my next system around intel

 

[InkZ]

If you've got an AMD mobo already I'd make the choice on price vs reward.

If there's not a lot in it prob worth going intel, but if it''s gonna be an extra 200 quid, stick with an amd for now.

 

[Tetras]

but is there really that much of an advantage if i personally already have a amd 6400+ ?

An X2 6400+ is enough for every game out there already, unless you regularly use software that makes use of quad (and makes use of it well) you are wasting your time (and money) and may even see a performance drop.

 

[gareth170]

what is this bug?

the new 9x50 phenoms haven't got the bug. only the 9x00 phenoms . the bug is with the l3 cach, the system sometimes crashs. personly i've never seen it since i bought my phenom..

yes my board does support phenom

but is there really that much of an advantage if i personally already have a amd 6400+ ?


I know originally was thinking of building a new system but now im actually also interested ina quick upgrade to my current platform if it is in fact worth it?


depends on what happens with the new phenom chips i may in fact build my next system around intel

i went from a 6000+ to a phenom and it does bottleneck in games at stock because most games only use 1 or 2 cores so e.g the 6000+ runs at 3ghz x2 and my phenom runs at 2.2ghz x4 but only using 1 or 2 core in games the 6000+ runs much better.... but if u have a game/app that uses 4 cores then the phenom would be much better...

 

[keyser]

AM2 mobos are much cheaper than Intel P35s, why is that?

It would come down to bang for buck for me, how fast* they can go overclocked etc.

*In games or apps like Truecrypt, not synthetic benchmarks

 

[Tetras]

AM2 mobos are much cheaper than Intel P35s, why is that?

There isn't a why cos they aren't. If you are comparing 770 to P35 you can find P35 boards in the same price range. Same with the 790s and X38.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

From the looks of things on xtremesystems, the 9850s have been overclocking a bit better than their B2 counterparts.

 

[Paracelsus]

Even using a single-core 2.5ghz Athlon all my games were playable and were GPU-limited.

Got a fairly big boost in CS:S FPS going from single to dual, but it went from 130 to 160 lol, was about triple playable framerate to begin with.

I would say upgrading from a 6400+ right now would be a waste of money for playing games at least.

 

[J.D]

yep...

u mean B2... B3 is the phenoms without the bug

That looks pretty impressive .

 

[Grumpy]

On a side note, can anyone (AMD user obviously) use the Overdrive? or only Phenom owners, I heard it could be used on the x2's but can't find anywhere to download it. Tried AMD site and nothing.

 

[Lightnix]

So wait, you can adjust the speed of a single core on a Phenom? If so, could you clock all the other cores really low and see how high each individual core clocks?