AMD wants to improve gaming in Linux and Steam boxes

[Martini1991]

And without Origin, the majority of your Mantle powered titles aren't hitting Linux.

Personally i hope they never do, then we can have those games they way it used to be, the way it should be, stand alone.

Erm but how'd you get them stand alone? You don't. (Unless you're pirating)

 

[LtMatt]

AMD have a contract with EA which can bring Mantle titles to any Frostbite games that the publisher/dev decide on. That does not forbid Mantle from expanding to other game developers or to other operating systems. I will post the Richard Huddy video interview from pcpers live stream when it appears on Youtube. Some will find it very enlightening.

 

[Martini1991]

AMD have a contract with EA which can bring Mantle titles to any Frostbite games that the publisher/dev decide on. That does not forbid Mantle from expanding to other game developers or to other operating systems. I will post the Richard Huddy video interview from pcpers live stream when it appears on Youtube. Some will find it very enlightening.

Yes, but currently it's EA pumping out the most games for Mantle....

 

[LtMatt]

Yes, but currently it's EA pumping out the most games for Mantle....

Because they're the main partner. They have no say on what AMD do with Mantle, they only have influence over which Frostbite games support Mantle. Sniper Elite 3, due in two weeks from now is not an EA or an Origin game. It uses the Asura engine from Rebellion and they have a lot of Mantle games in the works. It will be on steam.

 

[Martini1991]

No one's saying that EA have any say in mantle, or anything contrary to sniper elite being on steam..
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[grndzro]

The bottom line is when Linux and Steambox gets Mantle there really is no further need for DX. If OGL5 solves all OGL4 problems and Mantle is now a 1 stop shop for all AMD support. All that is needed is OGL for Nvidia.
Great performance all around. No DX required.

Mantle/OGL will cover All windows versions and Linux for gaming.
PS4 port from Mantle/OGL is pretty easy.
MS will shell out the cash for XB1 ports.

I don't see any problems.

 

[pgi947]

Matt I think their point is the big mantle titles are tied to ea. As yet ea have made very little noise or efforts to get going on Linux (they have released origin for osx, if you want to play sims or sim city). So the fear may be that Linux will miss out on many of the top tier mantle titles on Linux due to ea.

 

[Martini1991]

It's not even the big Mantle titles ; PVZ.
And Rebellion? First time I've ever heard anyone post like they're an important modern developer.

What constitutes a lot of Mantle titles from them? Googling "Upcoming rebellion titles" doesn't yield much.

 

[LtMatt]

Matt I think their point is the big mantle titles are tied to ea. As yet ea have made very little noise or efforts to get going on Linux (they have released origin for osx, if you want to play sims or sim city). So the fear may be that Linux will miss out on many of the top tier mantle titles on Linux due to ea.

Furry muff.

Mantle linux work has not even begun yet but AMD are going to be putting resources into it. I think it's going to happen. If old titles will get ported over or not ive no idea. I think Mantle will come to linux/steam os/valve though. It makes sense for AMD to get Mantle into that market.

It's not even the big Mantle titles ; PVZ.
And Rebellion? First time I've ever heard anyone post like they're an important modern developer.

What constitutes a lot of Mantle titles from them? Googling "Upcoming rebellion titles" doesn't yield much.

We are proud to announce that we will be working closely with AMD to add Mantle support to our in-house game engine, Asura.

As Rebellion's CTO and Co-founder, Chris Kingsley explains, Asura powers all of our games – from – from advanced PC titles, to mobile and next-generation console games:

"It supports more platforms than almost any other engine we can think of and has important cutting edge features, including: tessellation, DirectX® 11 Compute Shaders, AMD Eyefinity technology, multi-GPU support and more."

"As one of Europe’s leading independent games studios we're dedicated to constantly pushing our technology as far as we can, and we're excited about the possibilities that Mantle brings to PC gaming and the industry as a whole."

Rebellion CEO and Creative Director, Jason Kingsley confirms that support for Mantle will be a crucial part of our plans for the next year:

"We believe that supporting Mantle will enable us to stay on the bleeding edge of PC gaming and ensure that we don’t leave any performance on the table when it comes to offering gamers amazing experiences."

"Our first Mantle supported title will of course be our flagship 2014 game, Sniper Elite 3. And although we can’t talk about them right now we can’t wait to reveal even more titles with Mantle support in the next year."

"Supporting Mantle in all our future PC titles will play a big part in what will be a huge year for Rebellion. 2013 has been a hugely exciting year for the studio, and 2014 is lining up to be even better."

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/industry/2013/11/22/rebellion-entertainment-adopts-amd-s-revolu/1

 

[Martini1991]

So, you've taken some PR fluff, and turned it into "Rebellion have a lot of mantle titles in the wings"

Have you ever looked into Rebellion's prior games?

Every last game that Rebellion launch in the next 5 years could well be Mantle enabled, but that'd probably amount to 10 games at most

Mantle going to Linux is a point I raised a while back, but I'm objective, but it's one step to making native gaming on Linux a reality, and by itself is unlikely to spark a (lol) rebellion. SteamOS is currently doing the most for linux gaming, and combined with Mantle, will certainly help, but unless something drastic happens, it's not going to be the big push that's needed.

 

[LtMatt]

So, you've taken some PR fluff, and turned it into "Rebellion have a lot of mantle titles in the wings"

Have you ever looked into Rebellion's prior games?

Every last game that Rebellion launch in the next 5 years could well be Mantle enabled, but that'd probably amount to 10 games at most

Any Mantle games are welcome from Rebellion as i enjoyed Sniper Elite V2 very much and am looking forward to playing V3 next week. Looking forward to hearing about these other games too.

https://twitter.com/Rebellion/status/469874690090340352
https://twitter.com/Rebellion/status/403568872483459072
https://twitter.com/Rebellion/status/404998942234263552
https://twitter.com/Rebellion/status/469881749565349889

I've asked them if they can tell me more about which other of their games will use Mantle.

 

[Martini1991]

Yeah, there's no actual substance there

 

[pgi947]

Which other games though matt? Taking a look at their games released for windows on wikipedia tells me in the last 5 years they have put out 5 games to pc, 4 of those are sniper elite games the other was avp, even then 2 of those sniper elite games were essentially dlc packs in the shape of the zombie games based on sev2.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to see more of their games (didn't they do 'the warriors' game years back? That was awesome) but I'm just not seeing anything from them worth getting excited about besides the new sniper elite.

 

[LtMatt]

I don't know they've not announced any, but they say they have plans to release more Mantle games this year. Can't see the point in making public statements about doing it if they've no plans to or are just outright lying. Depends how you look at it i suppose. As with most things here, have to wait and see if they deliver or not.

 

[Martini1991]

They did do "The Warriors". Like I say, they're not really a "At the bleeding edge" kind of developer.

And Sniper Elite are 6-7/10 games at best (That said, most games I find are these days)

EDIT : Where does it say they're releasing more than Sniper Elite this year?

 

[LtMatt]

They did do "The Warriors". Like I say, they're not really a "At the bleeding edge" kind of developer.

And Sniper Elite are 6-7/10 games at best (That said, most games I find are these days)

EDIT : Where does it say they're releasing more than Sniper Elite this year?

Not the biggest dev out there, but still another feather in the cap. A British game dev too.

Sniper Elite games were better than 6 out of 10 in my opinion.

It says it on their own website.

"Our first Mantle supported title will of course be our flagship 2014 game, Sniper Elite 3. And although we can’t talk about them right now we can’t wait to reveal even more titles with Mantle support in the next year."

http://www.rebellion.co.uk/blog/2013/11/21/rebellion-throws-weight-behind-amd-mantle

 

[Gregster]

I proper enjoyed SEV2 and have SEV3 on order but like others have said, Rebellion are not big players.

 

[Martini1991]

*Reveal* and in the *next year*
Doesn't say anything about releasing games this year.

Perhaps they may port some of their backlog to Mantle? I don't think they will though.

 

[LtMatt]

*Reveal*
Doesn't say anything about releasing.

Supporting Mantle in all our future PC titles will play a big part in what will be a huge year for Rebellion. 2013 has been a hugely exciting year for the studio, and 2014 is lining up to be even better."

It doesn't explicitly say 2014, but one would assume they meant that.

Regardless more Mantle games = good in my book. In your book it probably = bad, or they're just flat out lying.

 

[Martini1991]

Well, that's not my book at all, I'm just objective. More mantle titles of course is good, and since when have I said they're lying? If you can't actually debate, then don't try.
What did rebellion do in 2013?